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  Reply # 1515292 18-Mar-2016 07:38

MikeB4:
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Geektastic:

 

 

 

Lias:

 

 

 

My question is why would any sane individual want to use an Apple product?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Because, at least until very recently, non-apple products had the design DNA of a black plastic box and ran the world's worst OS.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hate how marketing people try to misuse DNA as a design concept.

 

 

 

No one knows how DNA started. There is no evidence it was designed:)

 

 

 

Anyway.. to Windows/Mac...

 

 

 

Macintosh had the superior OS until the mid 90's.

 

 

 

Microsoft had DOS or Windows running on DOS - terrible.

 

 

 

Then, Microsoft created Windows NT.

 

 

 

At first, it was a server OS. But, in the early 2000's, it became their core OS.

 

 

 

I think Windows 2000, XP, Vista, 7,8,10 have been overall technically superior to Mac OS since.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



Vista superior ????

 

 

 

Yep. The GUI isn't all of the OS!


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  Reply # 1515297 18-Mar-2016 08:08
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Yep. The GUI isn't all of the OS!



The GUI was probably the best part, MS made two truly terrible OS's ME and Vista, the later was nobbled a lot by lack of OEM driver support but is was terrible.





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  Reply # 1515299 18-Mar-2016 08:10
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Windows is best for non Apple Hardware, OSX is best for Apple hardware, Linux is best on servers.

Use what fits best for the hardware you have and tasks you put it to.




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  Reply # 1515315 18-Mar-2016 08:22

MikeB4:
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Yep. The GUI isn't all of the OS!

 



The GUI was probably the best part, MS made two truly terrible OS's ME and Vista, the later was nobbled a lot by lack of OEM driver support but is was terrible.

 

ME still had a DOS base. It wasn't WinNT. The last gasp of DOS. It died then.

 

Vista was WinNT.

 

Most of the complaints about Vista were, the UI, the increased resources, and the driver model.

 

The resources are now trivial and we still mostly have the same driver model.


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  Reply # 1515317 18-Mar-2016 08:33

MikeB4: Windows is best for non Apple Hardware, OSX is best for Apple hardware, Linux is best on servers.

Use what fits best for the hardware you have and tasks you put it to.

 

 

 

Windows and Mac for (mainstream) desktop.

 

Windows and Linux for servers.


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  Reply # 1515319 18-Mar-2016 08:36
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Vista was a necessary step in the right direction. It was the painful transition version where a whole bunch of things were updated under the bonnet in major ways. The results of those changes really only came through in Windows 7. The only thing that I would have done differently for Windows 7 was to drop 32-bit support. There was no excuse for it - if the machine you wanted to upgrade didn't support 64-bit, then it wasn't going to be able to run Windows 7 adequately anyway.

 

And we still have 32-bit versions of Windows. Ugh.





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Those who say OS X is better or Windows is better are either trolling or can;t see that both OS's have their benefits, simply slagging on off because it doesn't quite do everything you want it moronic.

 

 

 

I use Mac's and PC's at work. I have a Mac at home as my main computer and a PC that I use for gaming and other tasks that the Mac doesn't do as well.


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  Reply # 1515335 18-Mar-2016 09:03
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BTR:

Those who say OS X is better or Windows is better are either trolling or can;t see that both OS's have their benefits, simply slagging on off because it doesn't quite do everything you want it moronic.


 


I use Mac's and PC's at work. I have a Mac at home as my main computer and a PC that I use for gaming and other tasks that the Mac doesn't do as well.



Yep as I posted its horses for courses




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  Reply # 1515358 18-Mar-2016 09:12
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SaltyNZ: And we still have 32-bit versions of Windows. Ugh.

 

Yes, phones, tablets, netbooks, Raspberry Pi. Unless you have more than 3GB, 64bit gives no advantage except additional bloat and complexity. Windows does give devices a longer supported life than the Mac OS. 


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  Reply # 1515375 18-Mar-2016 09:29
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SaltyNZ: And we still have 32-bit versions of Windows. Ugh.

 

Yes, phones, tablets, netbooks, Raspberry Pi. Unless you have more than 3GB, 64bit gives no advantage except additional bloat and complexity. Windows does give devices a longer supported life than the Mac OS. 

 

 

 

 

Most tablets and smartphones being released today are 64-bit capable. Plenty of Android handsets now have more than 2GB of RAM; some have 4GB and will basically require a 64-bit OS in order to utilise it. iOS has been 64-bit for 3 generations of devices; Android wasn't even a full year later. Even the new Raspberry Pi is 64-bit. And while the difference was less fundamental for ARM, the transition from 32-bit to 64-bit code even with on the most minimal change provides a significant performance boost on x86. AMD's version of x86-64 -- which is the one we all use today (no Itaniums here!) -- introduced an additional block of general purpose registers which the compiler can use to great advantage.

 

In any case, I wasn't talking about mobile devices. I was talking about desktops or laptops - the hardware that Windows 7 was supposed to run on. 64-bit desktop processors were available in the Windows XP days.

 

And since you mention long supported life: I have a 2009 Mac Mini that can run the latest OSX. 7 years is well long enough. My previous Windows PC only lasted about 2 years.





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  Reply # 1515377 18-Mar-2016 09:32
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Both have strengths and weaknesses - though Microsoft gets unreasonable bad press as noted above by having to support a vast array of hardware and the issues that sometimes causes.

 

In my view a 'clean' install of windows (without some of the horrible crapware that comes with nearly all name brand boxes) is usually really solid and hard to beat. The only times I have issues is usually where some HP/Acer/Lenovo(the worst) extras come pre-installed - they can be quite difficult to remove as well.

 

MS would do itself a favour if they somehow let a user have a 'clean' install - but I know the hardware manufacturers often get paid to include 'trial' products etc on their gear.

 

Same could be said for android of course - there are a few 'pure' android phones/tablets. But pretty hard to get the OS in all its stripped down glory.

 

 

 

MS has been taken to task a few times for 'monopolistic or anti competitive practices - but Apple seems to have mostly escaped this - not quite sure how.





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  Reply # 1515380 18-Mar-2016 09:36
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Its a fanboi controller.

 

 

 

 

/slowclap


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  Reply # 1515407 18-Mar-2016 09:41
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MS has been taken to task a few times for 'monopolistic or anti competitive practices - but Apple seems to have mostly escaped this - not quite sure how.

 

 

Well, the thing about being taken to task for monopolistic practices is that first you have to have a monopoly. Apple doesn't. On the desktop they have (optimistically) about 10% share. In the mobile world, about 20%. Hardly a monopoly.





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  Reply # 1515410 18-Mar-2016 09:41
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JWR:

 

Geektastic:

 

Lias:

 

My question is why would any sane individual want to use an Apple product?

 

 

Because, at least until very recently, non-apple products had the design DNA of a black plastic box and ran the world's worst OS.....

 

 

I hate how marketing people try to misuse DNA as a design concept.

 

No one knows how DNA started. There is no evidence it was designed:)

 

Anyway.. to Windows/Mac...

 

Macintosh had the superior OS until the mid 90's.

 

Microsoft had DOS or Windows running on DOS - terrible.

 

Then, Microsoft created Windows NT.

 

At first, it was a server OS. But, in the early 2000's, it became their core OS.

 

I think Windows 2000, XP, Vista, 7,8,10 have been overall technically superior to Mac OS since.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Common practice is to clean install Windows every now and then as it bogs with services, bloating registry, etc. Isn't Windows still based on DOS?

 

My 2013 rMBP seems to run the same now as it always did

 

I cant see Windows being technically superior until they create a Windows that is not based on old technology


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  Reply # 1515423 18-Mar-2016 09:50
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BTR:

 

Those who say OS X is better or Windows is better are either trolling or can;t see that both OS's have their benefits, simply slagging on off because it doesn't quite do everything you want it moronic.

 

 

 

I use Mac's and PC's at work. I have a Mac at home as my main computer and a PC that I use for gaming and other tasks that the Mac doesn't do as well.

 

 

 

 

Yep. Filter out fanbois of both, and those with an inherent bias, leaves the rest of us to productively discuss the topic at hand


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