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FierceGuppy
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  #155693 10-Aug-2008 20:26
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I have WMP 11 and XP with sp3, too.    Look, thanks very much for trying to help.    I'll eventually figure it out.   The fact that the tabs differ in the properties boxes gives me a clue.  I just need to experiment some more.

Tony.

 
 
 

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  #155708 10-Aug-2008 21:07
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Firefox loves it, however it gets grumpy if you move about the window or switch channels like a mad man.....  as you do! 

As for safari, pasting in the URL seems to work fine.....

I used QT side by side with safari and QT was much quicker, smoother and higher quality. 




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  #155733 10-Aug-2008 22:47
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My firefox tells me I dont have the plugin, sends me to port25.microsoft to download it, I run it, repair, or remove and reinstall and it still doesnt work.

edit: just saw what forum - thats vista and firefox 3, not a mac.




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chrisod
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  #155752 10-Aug-2008 23:33
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Fierce Guppy, I think you'll find TVNZ is using dynamic bandwidth on it's connections.
So if you connection to the streming servers is choked you'll be cut down in speed.

IIRC they (TVNZ) have streaming servers at APE, WIX some SF hosting facility and a few smaller ISPs, they had plans that may have been implemented by now for CHIX as well.

Unfortunately the major telcos do not peer at peering points thogh I "think" Telecom has specifically peered with TVNZ for the olympics and maybe for all video.

So unless Telstra has come to its network senses you'll be connecting to the SF server, no wonder you are getting poor bandwidth!

Chris

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  #155753 10-Aug-2008 23:37
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In fact try a tracert (windows) or traceroute (unix) to live.tvnz.co.nz

Orcon connection:
traceroute to live.tvnz.co.nz (202.7.5.12), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
 1  router (192.168.1.254)  1.058 ms  0.925 ms  0.831 ms
 2  lo-1.exr01.nct.orcon.net.nz (60.234.8.17)  45.124 ms  44.684 ms  65.928 ms
 3  ge-0-0-3-200.cre1.nct.orcon.net.nz (121.98.9.17)  41.050 ms  45.315 ms  42.616 ms
 4  60.234.24.86 (60.234.24.86)  42.080 ms  41.122 ms  42.555 ms
 5  live.tvnz.co.nz (202.7.5.12)  43.234 ms  45.758 ms  41.563 ms


or from snap:
 Tracing route to live.tvnz.co.nz [202.7.5.12]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    75 ms    26 ms    25 ms  192.168.1.254
  2    25 ms    91 ms    27 ms  p202.124.98.202.snap.net.nz [202.124.98.202]
  3    63 ms    25 ms    79 ms  snap-chc-state2-rtr01.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.254]
  4    51 ms    47 ms    26 ms  anycast1.chix.nzix.net [218.100.24.14]
  5    35 ms    26 ms    25 ms  live.tvnz.co.nz [202.7.5.12]

Trace complete.


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  #155754 10-Aug-2008 23:40
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C:\Users\richard>tracert live.tvnz.co.nz

Tracing route to live.tvnz.co.nz [202.7.5.12]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  jonsrouter.home.local [192.168.1.1]
  2    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  10.20.0.1
  3     8 ms     7 ms     8 ms  vlan998-31.fx.cust.tranzpeer.net [202.180.81.31]

  4     8 ms     9 ms     9 ms  vlan94-cpcak3-e1.tranzpeer.net [202.180.82.82]
  5    10 ms     9 ms    10 ms  vlan7-cpcak3-s1.tranzpeer.net [202.180.81.49]
  6     8 ms     9 ms     9 ms  anycast2.ape.net.nz [192.203.154.58]
  7     9 ms     9 ms     9 ms  live.tvnz.co.nz [202.7.5.12]

Trace complete.

C:\Users\richard>




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FierceGuppy
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  #155763 11-Aug-2008 06:19
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Tracing route to live.tvnz.co.nz [202.7.5.12]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     9 ms    20 ms     7 ms  203-97-126-1.cable.telstraclear.net [203.97.126.1]
  2    19 ms    20 ms    20 ms  218.101.61.185
  3    22 ms    20 ms    22 ms  ge-0-2-0-1.xcore1.acld.telstraclear.net [203.98.50.251]
  4    21 ms    31 ms    20 ms  203.167.233.10
  5   145 ms   145 ms   145 ms  i-4-0.wil-core02.net.reach.com [202.84.142.129]
  6   144 ms   160 ms   144 ms  i-pc-11.tlot03.net.reach.com [202.84.251.166]
  7   144 ms   146 ms   146 ms  ge-6-21.car3.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [4.68.111.137]
  8   155 ms   145 ms   144 ms  ae-1-69.edge5.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [4.68.20.11]
  9   145 ms   144 ms   145 ms  CWIE-LLC.edge5.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [4.59.48.30]
 10   155 ms   155 ms   156 ms  Vlan802.br02-200p-sfo.unitedlayer.com [209.237.224.137]
 11   157 ms   158 ms   158 ms  207.7.129.14
 12   157 ms   162 ms   157 ms  live.tvnz.co.nz [202.7.5.12]

There you go, chrisod.

It is just so damned tragic.  I have an enormous amount of bandwidth at my disposal and can't even utilize it for the most important gaming event for the next four years.

Tony.



FierceGuppy
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  #155765 11-Aug-2008 06:35
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...and to cap it off  (mmmmpff)  I have to go to work.   I'll see you later.

chrisod
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  #155766 11-Aug-2008 06:36
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Fierceguppy, the only thing you can do is hassle your ISP to peer.

In fact this event is probably the best single opportunity to get the ISPs to peer locally.

Watch as much as you can internationally, it will cost your ISP especially if you are uncapped.
And tell them that they can peer at APE, WIX or CHIX or even better all three.

In fact since you are in ChCh you could vist their barbados street HQ for their FHC HFC network and hassle them to pop a connection across to CHIX.

Take them a few hours if they wanted to do it. As I know for a fact that a few buildings both CHiX and Telstra have fibre into, there are bound to be lots more.

Chris

FierceGuppy
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  #155959 11-Aug-2008 17:10
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I'll be all over them like an eczema.

FierceGuppy
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  #156137 12-Aug-2008 06:11
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How do all the people watching these high quality streams at >1Mbps not blow their lowly caps and accumulate a huge cost to them at the end of their billing period?

FierceGuppy
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  #156340 12-Aug-2008 17:15
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And the winner is... not me!   TelstraClear will ~not~ peer with tvnz's streaming servers for the Beijing Olympics.  However, they are thinking about peering with them near the end of the year.  What good is that?  Excluding the Olympic games, why would one waste one's  precious data capacity on anything TVNZ has to offer? 

I've have another 120GBs to use up from tomorrow, and a pauper 381kbps feed with which to view the Olympic games...

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  #156358 12-Aug-2008 18:43
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FierceGuppy: How do all the people watching these high quality streams at >1Mbps not blow their lowly caps and accumulate a huge cost to them at the end of their billing period?

I used 6GB on the first day. I have 20GB for a month (shared with my family).

I have to manage somehow, by seriously cutting back streams and using the poorer 300k streams.

It's interesting how TVNZ advise about stream use:

If your broadband plan is without a data cap then choose the "High quality" setting to enjoy superior streaming action throughout the Games.

Broadband in New Zealand is basically restrictive or horribly expensive.




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FierceGuppy
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  #156362 12-Aug-2008 18:55
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This just appeared on the TVNZ Olympics message board.

baz12 Posts: 33 (date posted - Tue Aug 12 - 5:23 pm)

Woohoo Snap internet are now offering uncapped use of the live streams. So it is free for me to watch the stream. Everyone else i suggest calling your ISP and asking them to match what Snap is offering and get them to offer free data for the Olympic stream.

chrisod
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  #156419 12-Aug-2008 22:03
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And now with the amount of snap users on the ChCh server I can only get 610Kbps reliably :(

Well at least it is uncapped.

Why is it that a relatively small ISP can offer uncapped access and the large ones "can't"

Chris

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