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  Reply # 511904 25-Aug-2011 15:26
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I am not sure how far off topic it actually is, it's all in the context of what will happen with Apples technical and marketing direction now that He who must be obeyed has left.

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  Reply # 511936 25-Aug-2011 16:19
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OK, so here is my two cents.

First and foremost, although I have never met the guy and only own one Apple product (a 1GB iPod Nano) I wish him all the best during what is sure to be a very tough time. The dude is only 54, I hope he has many more good years ahead of him.

As to what effect this will have on Apple, well lets just have a look at the crystal ball shall we?

I don't think there will be a tectonic shift. Basically because the current Apple business model works very well.

Apple compete with Android. Many people have posted that Apple is and will continue to loose ground to Android.

Apple only makes one phone. OK, the same phone comes in different sizes and you can buy last years phone if you want but really want but in truth; they only make one phone.

Think about that for a second. That is the same as saying Ferrari is loosing ground to all other car makers. Sure it's a cool high spec car, but seriously competing with all other car makers? Are you kidding?

By some estimates Apples margin on it's hardware is up to 40%. Android has market share but they don't have that.

You can say similar things about the rest of Apples products, name one which isn't at least as good as the competition?

Anybody stupid enough to mess with this deserves to see the the company fade away. I don't think Jobs would let anybody that stupid into leadership. The plan will be 'just keep doing what we are doing, oh and what you don't drown in the money'.

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  Reply # 511941 25-Aug-2011 16:27
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The other day during that US sharemarket disruption, Apple briefly became the most valuable company in the world, based on market captalisation. That doesnt happen by accident. They earn 66% of global smartphone profits. 

Yes, as CrackedbyCracku implies , sail on, its all going to plan. Add in a sprinkle of customisation, not too much, not too little, and the future loloks bright.

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  Reply # 512278 26-Aug-2011 09:52
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Have any of you guys read iCon? Steve does not seem like a very nice person to me.

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  Reply # 512310 26-Aug-2011 10:21
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Skolink: Have any of you guys read iCon? Steve does not seem like a very nice person to me.


You don't get to the top of business by being nice.  You also don't have to be nice to be respected. 

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  Reply # 512321 26-Aug-2011 10:37
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Yeah, this is something I have read about a few times. Although I haven't read iCon.

It seems there is some need for people to see tech CEOs in terms of whether they are 'nice' or not.

To me this is very strange as other leaders in industry don't seem to be treated this way. Nobody comments on the morals of oil industry execs. Hell, Enron was run by crooks (some of whom did time) and nobody talks of whether the energy industry should be run by nice people.

Sure, Steve Jobs has taken some decisions which are not really all that 'nice'. I don't believes anybody thinks Foxconn is a 'nice' place to work and if Apple wanted to up the price of an iPad by 20% or drop profits by 20% I am sure they could make it nicer.

But so what? This equally applies to every other industry.

But when it comes to tech it is 'different' somehow. Because we see computers as 'personal'? Because we rely on tech to do so many basic things?




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  Reply # 512354 26-Aug-2011 11:27
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gehenna: You don't get to the top of business by being nice.  You also don't have to be nice to be respected. 
I agree you don't get to the top being nice. I guess it depends what triats in a person you admire.
What about to be loved, adored and revered?
I toned down my comment, I actually think he is (or was) an **hole.

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  Reply # 512358 26-Aug-2011 11:32
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crackrdbycracku:  This equally applies to every other industry.

I agree.

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  Reply # 512364 26-Aug-2011 11:42
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Skolink: I don't believe in business you need to be nice to succeed, however it annoys me when people defend people who go out of their way to be ruthless and nasty in business (Just because other people do it, does it make it right?). SJ takes pride in what an AH he can get away with being, and this is one of the many reasons I have little respect for the guy himself. I have been successful in business (Though I don't run the largest tech company in existence), but I have not been ruthless nasty or dishonest knowingly to do so. I believe when you show people respect, it garners respect in return in most cases.

SJ is the type of person who never leaves anything at the table for anyone else in a deal, he is widely known for it.

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  Reply # 512395 26-Aug-2011 12:15
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networkn: Skolink: I don't believe in business you need to be nice to succeed

Do you believe it is even possible to 'succeed' in business and be nice? I'd be interested in any examples of people who have created large companies who are not ruthless and mean. Noone springs to mind, other than Allan Hubbard (South Canterbury Finance), but I'm not sure he could now be considered to have succeeded. Dick Hubbard (Hubbards cerials) is certainly a nice guy, but not exactly a large multinational company.

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  Reply # 512398 26-Aug-2011 12:19
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networkn: Skolink: I don't believe in business you need to be nice to succeed, however it annoys me when people defend people who go out of their way to be ruthless and nasty in business (Just because other people do it, does it make it right?). SJ takes pride in what an AH he can get away with being, and this is one of the many reasons I have little respect for the guy himself. I have been successful in business (Though I don't run the largest tech company in existence), but I have not been ruthless nasty or dishonest knowingly to do so. I believe when you show people respect, it garners respect in return in most cases.

SJ is the type of person who never leaves anything at the table for anyone else in a deal, he is widely known for it.


I'd be keen to hear of the ruthless behaviour you are talking about.

"never leaves anything at the table for anyone else in a deal"  Details???

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  Reply # 512411 26-Aug-2011 12:31
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I guess Richard Branson seems to be nice, but I only know what I've seen of him as depicted in the media. Behind closed boardroom doors it could be a different story.

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  Reply # 512413 26-Aug-2011 12:32
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tdgeek:
networkn: Skolink: I don't believe in business you need to be nice to succeed, however it annoys me when people defend people who go out of their way to be ruthless and nasty in business (Just because other people do it, does it make it right?). SJ takes pride in what an AH he can get away with being, and this is one of the many reasons I have little respect for the guy himself. I have been successful in business (Though I don't run the largest tech company in existence), but I have not been ruthless nasty or dishonest knowingly to do so. I believe when you show people respect, it garners respect in return in most cases.

SJ is the type of person who never leaves anything at the table for anyone else in a deal, he is widely known for it.


I'd be keen to hear of the ruthless behaviour you are talking about.

"never leaves anything at the table for anyone else in a deal"  Details???


There is plenty of evidence if you search for it and have a read. It's hard to believe that if you have such a knowledge of Apple, you won't have heard of cases over the years.

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  Reply # 512415 26-Aug-2011 12:34
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gehenna: I guess Richard Branson seems to be nice, but I only know what I've seen of him as depicted in the media. Behind closed boardroom doors it could be a different story.


I think he is nicer now, similar story of him being completely ruthless on the way up. I saw an interview of him once saying he regretted some of behaviour he exhibited over the years in business related to how he treated other people.

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  Reply # 512423 26-Aug-2011 12:41
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jst complete speculation but i think it has something to do with his health. pancreatic cancer is not usually survivable .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancreatic_cancer

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