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Involuntary autocorrect in operation on mobile device. Apologies in advance.
Involuntary autocorrect in operation on mobile device. Apologies in advance.
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James Sleeman
I sell lots of stuff for electronic enthusiasts...
mattwnz: That is one shocking road, and poor road markings. And I though Wellingtons roads were bad.
I am not sure if the Op was in the wrong, as I personally would have interprated that I could go straight on or right due to there being no extra markings on the next intersection where they said the accident occurred. It is essentially two interestions, but he markings only refer to the first one. Why they haven't got extra raod markings is beyond me. Perhaps this raod was repaired after the EQ's and they forgot to remark them?
Also the markings on the road to the right seem to differ and contradict the other ones. They say that if you are in the right lane, you can either go straight one or go right. Thus if the bus was in the left lane, they shouldn't have turned right at all http://goo.gl/maps/p8TDk
Edit: Some of the streetview photos and the aerial photo appear to be from a different date from others. eg some of the photos and aerial photo show the OP twas trying to drive into as 2 laned, while the closest streetview photo to the intersection appear to show it as a single lane.
sleemanj: This intersection has been like this for years (I forget how long since it was remodelled, probably 10 years, more, I don't recall exactly what it was originally, I think a straight T intersection on cranmer-kilmore and then another kilmore-montreal).?
It is a bit of a strange intersection admittedly, but then the one-way system in Chch is a bit unusual itself :)
Unfortunately, I'd have to say that the OP is liable for the accident as they left their lane and crossed into the bus' lane causing the accident, the bus did not have an opportunity to avoid the accident.
Hopefully the bus wasn't badly damaged. ?As for your own car, you better break out the socket set!
gzt: Here's the facts as I see them. At the intersection itself there is no road marking for direction, and there is no road marking for side turning lanes. Therefore you were not in the bus's lane. The outcome here is just one of those many accident cases where there is no liability on either side.
I doubt the bus company's insurance company will pursue you for the accident. I'm sure they will be familiar with this intersection from other clients. Stupid intersection which needs another set of control lights. Lights are not new technology.
The way the intersection is laid out and marked you can even say the bus is at fault for not giving way to the intentions of the vehicle on the right. That is the logical outcome of the facts.
I realise the design attempts to show the desired path at the previous intersection - but that is not the intersection where the accident occurred.
KevinL: I disagree, I don't believe that lights will fix the issue - the fundamental problem is that the rules are different depending on whether you are approaching from the east or the south. It's a little easier to consider the two intersections as a whole (and presumably the traffic light phasing will reflect that so nobody will get 'stuck' in between the two intersections.
I suppose you could make it clear by having the right lane from both approaches right turn only, and the left lane from both approaches straight only; however that would effectively introduce a bottleneck into both north/south and east/west traffic restricting both to a single lane at that intersection.
It is fairly clear on approach to the intersection what the rules are, and in this case he has tried to continue straight in a right-turn only lane. I don't see how the bus company can be held liable (even partially).
gzt: The way the intersection is laid out and marked you can even say the bus is at fault for not giving way to the intentions of the vehicle on the right. That is the logical outcome of the facts.
KevinL: A reasonable analogy is a two-laned roundabout - the roundabout lanes aren't marked, as the rules depend on where you enter the roundabout.
gzt:KevinL: A reasonable analogy is a two-laned roundabout - the roundabout lanes aren't marked, as the rules depend on where you enter the roundabout.
This is not a reasonable analogy. Correct roundabout behavior is clearly defined and tested as part of the Roadcode and drivers license requirements. This intersection? Not at all. ; ).
Gordy
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