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#714941 9-Nov-2012 21:36

SpookyAwol:
tardtasticx: If they were, like I said earlier, we should be able to claim repairs from the manufacturer for free under the cga because wouldn't that mean he car is not fit for purpose in 'everyday traffic flow'?

It would mean that the driver is not fit for purpose in everyday traffic flow - not the car ;-)

What if you're t-boned? My only car accident was caused by this driver not giving way and scraping along the side of my car (it was wet so breaking caused our cars to continue to slide). Landed her a $1,700 bill for repairs to my car.

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#714943 9-Nov-2012 21:40

tardtasticx:
Kyanar:
tardtasticx:
Also, "should be drivers not knowing the rules" How do I not know the rules? If you read the whole thing, you would know that I was full aware of the rules around this law, its more interpretation of these rules that we've been talking about here.

You clearly weren't aware of the rules, because there is nothing to interpret! Either it was normal flow of traffic, in which case using your phone for anything is an offense, or it was not normal flow of traffic, in which case using your phone for anything bar calling is an offense.

You broke the law. There is no other way to interpret it. I would be right behind you if you were calling someone to say you're stuck in traffic at an accident and would be home late and the officer ticketed you, but that isn't the case. You text messaged (illegal) and you used your phone to take a photo (illegal).

Well no, I didnt text message because the message wasn't opened, I glanced at the lock screen before going straight to the camera. It doesnt specify anywhere that taking photos while driving is illegal.

Driving without due care and attention, dangerous driving

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#714948 9-Nov-2012 21:43

KiwiNZ:
tardtasticx:
Kyanar:
tardtasticx:
Also, "should be drivers not knowing the rules" How do I not know the rules? If you read the whole thing, you would know that I was full aware of the rules around this law, its more interpretation of these rules that we've been talking about here.

You clearly weren't aware of the rules, because there is nothing to interpret! Either it was normal flow of traffic, in which case using your phone for anything is an offense, or it was not normal flow of traffic, in which case using your phone for anything bar calling is an offense.

You broke the law. There is no other way to interpret it. I would be right behind you if you were calling someone to say you're stuck in traffic at an accident and would be home late and the officer ticketed you, but that isn't the case. You text messaged (illegal) and you used your phone to take a photo (illegal).

Well no, I didnt text message because the message wasn't opened, I glanced at the lock screen before going straight to the camera. It doesnt specify anywhere that taking photos while driving is illegal.

Driving without due care and attention, dangerous driving

How was that not paying due care? The car was entirely stopped, anything else that happened would have been the result of another driver. The two seconds it took to take that photo would have made absolutely no difference to anything that could have happened. If you're saying me taking this photo while the car was stopped was dangerous, why havn't they banned people from eating while driving full speed on a motorway? as far as I can see, thats far more dangerous, hot food = possible risk of burning yourself, then you'll focus on treating said burn and loose focus of driving 100km an hour.

You tell me I'm being dangerous next time you change radio stations, skip songs on a cd or adjust the AC in your car while actually driving, not being stopped with no where to go.

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#714954 9-Nov-2012 21:47

tardtasticx:
KiwiNZ:
tardtasticx:
Kyanar:
tardtasticx:
Also, "should be drivers not knowing the rules" How do I not know the rules? If you read the whole thing, you would know that I was full aware of the rules around this law, its more interpretation of these rules that we've been talking about here.

You clearly weren't aware of the rules, because there is nothing to interpret! Either it was normal flow of traffic, in which case using your phone for anything is an offense, or it was not normal flow of traffic, in which case using your phone for anything bar calling is an offense.

You broke the law. There is no other way to interpret it. I would be right behind you if you were calling someone to say you're stuck in traffic at an accident and would be home late and the officer ticketed you, but that isn't the case. You text messaged (illegal) and you used your phone to take a photo (illegal).

Well no, I didnt text message because the message wasn't opened, I glanced at the lock screen before going straight to the camera. It doesnt specify anywhere that taking photos while driving is illegal.

Driving without due care and attention, dangerous driving

How was that not paying due care? The car was entirely stopped, anything else that happened would have been the result of another driver. The two seconds it took to take that photo would have made absolutely no difference to anything that could have happened. If you're saying me taking this photo while the car was stopped was dangerous, why havn't they banned people from eating while driving full speed on a motorway? as far as I can see, thats far more dangerous, hot food = possible risk of burning yourself, then you'll focus on treating said burn and loose focus of driving 100km an hour.

You tell me I'm being dangerous next time you change radio stations, skip songs on a cd or adjust the AC in your car while actually driving, not being stopped with no where to go.

I was answering this "It doesnt specify anywhere that taking photos while driving is illegal."

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#714979 9-Nov-2012 23:02

tardtasticx: It doesnt specify anywhere that taking photos while driving is illegal.

It does actually

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/rules/docs/road-user-amendment-2009.pdf : “7.3A Ban on use of mobile phones while driving“
(1) A drivermust not, while driving a vehicle, create, send, or read a text message on a mobile phone or make, receive, or terminate a telephone call on a mobile phone or use a mobile phone in any other way. This subclause is overridden by subclauses (2) to (6).

Hmmmm

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#715026 10-Nov-2012 08:19

tardtasticx:
SpookyAwol:
tardtasticx: If they were, like I said earlier, we should be able to claim repairs from the manufacturer for free under the cga because wouldn't that mean he car is not fit for purpose in 'everyday traffic flow'?

It would mean that the driver is not fit for purpose in everyday traffic flow - not the car ;-)

What if you're t-boned? My only car accident was caused by this driver not giving way and scraping along the side of my car (it was wet so breaking caused our cars to continue to slide). Landed her a $1,700 bill for repairs to my car.

How is this the cars fault under the CGA?

Cars dont cause accidents, people do. Depending on your religous beliefs, Im not sure if anyone has successfully claimed against our manufacturer ;-)

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#715144 10-Nov-2012 14:10

SpookyAwol:
tardtasticx:
SpookyAwol:
tardtasticx: If they were, like I said earlier, we should be able to claim repairs from the manufacturer for free under the cga because wouldn't that mean he car is not fit for purpose in 'everyday traffic flow'?

It would mean that the driver is not fit for purpose in everyday traffic flow - not the car ;-)

What if you're t-boned? My only car accident was caused by this driver not giving way and scraping along the side of my car (it was wet so breaking caused our cars to continue to slide). Landed her a $1,700 bill for repairs to my car.

How is this the cars fault under the CGA?

Cars dont cause accidents, people do. Depending on your religous beliefs, Im not sure if anyone has successfully claimed against our manufacturer ;-)

That was in response to saying car crashes were normal, which they are not and I'm fully aware of that. Car crashes are the result of people not driving normally, normal driving doesn't have crashes

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#715162 10-Nov-2012 14:47

tardtasticx:

Well no, I didnt text message because the message wasn't opened, I glanced at the lock screen before going straight to the camera. It doesnt specify anywhere that taking photos while driving is illegal.

It says, quite clearly, that using your phone for anything is illegal while driving, and using your phone for anything other than making phone calls is illegal while stopped in abnormal traffic flow. Where do you get your information?

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#715167 10-Nov-2012 14:55

Anyone can have a lapse of concentration either sleepy or distracted or talking or kids fighting or phone ringing or its tax return month or girlfriend is sick or need to pee or bird fell from the sky or sneezed or car in front lights too bright or looking at the speedometer or looking at road signage or suddenly saw a police van ...