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Topic # 112350 5-Dec-2012 20:21
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It seems much of the controversy around The Hobbit is related to Peter Jackson's decision to film at 48fps. I have seen reports about it not being realistic, causing nausea etc. but not having seen it (didn't manage to score any tickets to the premiere) I can only wait till the general release date.

As for 48fps, I wonder who amongst the GZ members has been to Disneyland and taken the Star Tours ride? What makes that ride so realistic, apart from the motion of the chairs, is the fact that the projected image of a view out of the cockpit of the space ship is at 60fps. Any nausea from riders is probably intentional!  In fact there are warnings before the ride about that potential side effect.

The 60 fps of Star Tours makes the ride very realistic and you really feel like you are in the ship.

Another less mentioned feature of this movie is that Jackson decided to mix the movie in Dolby Atmos.

http://www.dolby.com/us/en/professional/technology/cinema/dolby-atmos.html

This can deliver up to 64 channels of sound and I am sure Peter had the Embassy fitted out with Dolby Atmos for the premiere.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/hobbit-an-unexpected-journey-will-387447

So if you are planning to go to the movie and are in Wellington, then go to the Embassy. Nothing else will do.

And for you Aucklanders, there are $29 AirNZ tickets to Wellington available :-)




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  Reply # 727622 5-Dec-2012 20:39
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I went and saw Skyfall at the Embassy last Tuesday and can say without a doubt the sound system in there absolutely rocked. The bass with the explosion and tube train derailment literally shook the entire theatre.

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  Reply # 727629 5-Dec-2012 20:54
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Im looking foward to 48 fps. low framerate and juddery pans is what really ruins movies IMO. 48 hz is a step towards that being history.




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  Reply # 727631 5-Dec-2012 21:04
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Even though I think it'll be a slight shock to see a film in 48FPS, I too, am very keen to see it in 48FPS.

Most people say the human eye can't perceive anything above 24FPS, and whilst this might be technically true, anything to stop the juddery motion of fast moving scenes in most films will be welcome to me.

Seeing Avatar as my first 3D film, the juddering was a whole lot more noticeable.

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  Reply # 727636 5-Dec-2012 21:11
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Cantabs..

Hoyts Riccarton superscreen has the only 48fps equipped projector (so we are told by staff.. take that as gospel at risk) . The sound of course has a lot of larger amps and subs, but not sure if it is the standard 7.1EX kitout they have or if it has been modified to suit also.

Although Palms is nice and cheap ($10 norm/$13 3D sessions!) and recently renovated, their new projector is not up to it.

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  Reply # 727637 5-Dec-2012 21:12
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24 fps appoximates motion. its blurry as hell motion which is quite arrapent with the loss of detail to motion blur - both real from long shutter and fake in the effects. very ugly on things you are tracking across the screen.




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  Reply # 727638 5-Dec-2012 21:13
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Does anyone know if any other cinemas has Atmos installed?



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  Reply # 727647 5-Dec-2012 21:24
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DjShadow: Does anyone know if any other cinemas has Atmos installed?


According to this list there are not many

http://www.dolby.com/us/en/professional/technology/cinema/dolby-atmos.html#Theatres

But it's not up to date since the Embassy is not listed.

I doubt if any other theatre is NZ will have Atmos - it's pretty expensive and apparently Dolby flew out engineers to install it.




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  Reply # 727648 5-Dec-2012 21:25
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Googling appears to find 0 results other than embassy. And they got speakers on the roof!

Quotes from their facebook a week out testing it.

http://www.48fpsmovies.com/48-fps-theater-list/

Lists the NZ theatres with 48fps and the only one flagged for Atmos.. is WLG :/



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  Reply # 727649 5-Dec-2012 21:26
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sbiddle: I went and saw Skyfall at the Embassy last Tuesday and can say without a doubt the sound system in there absolutely rocked. The bass with the explosion and tube train derailment literally shook the entire theatre.


That's a movie that's on my to see liist. With a good home HT I don't go out that often (last movie I saw The Avengers) but the really big blockbusters have to be seen in a good theatre.




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  Reply # 727654 5-Dec-2012 21:31
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I'm not sure, haven't googled it, but what's the effective frame rate with active shutter 3D glasses? If you're dumping every other frame then you'd end up with close to 24 frames per second to each eye at 48 fps...

And yes, 24fps is basically sht on large medium+ speed panning shots. I'm loving the technical attempts from journalists to describe this 48 fps though, there's some good stuff out there. Like 48 fps ups the resolution, that one is cool.

"On the new 48-frames-per-second technology used - twice the frame rate of most films - Sacks wrote: ''After a minute or two of adjusting, the higher resolution is eye-popping, similar to discovering HD television for the first time''. "

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  Reply # 727660 5-Dec-2012 21:42
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Very much looking forward to seeing the new tech in action at the Embassy. No doubt it has been perfectly calibrated, just hoping no-one screws it up before I get to see it ; ).

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  Reply # 727662 5-Dec-2012 21:43
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I'm only thinking... can we use back the same 3D Glassess from Hoyts or have to get a new one LOL..



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  Reply # 727663 5-Dec-2012 21:43
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Oblivian: Googling appears to find 0 results other than embassy. And they got speakers on the roof!

Quotes from their facebook a week out testing it.

http://www.48fpsmovies.com/48-fps-theater-list/

Lists the NZ theatres with 48fps and the only one flagged for Atmos.. is WLG :/


According to the list NONE in Australia!




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  Reply # 727666 5-Dec-2012 21:45
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Jaxson: Sacks wrote: ''After a minute or two of adjusting, the higher resolution is eye-popping, similar to discovering HD television for the first time''. "

There is definitely more detail at higher fps. It is technically incorrect and therefore really annoying but it is actually a good description of what most people will experience.

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  Reply # 727672 5-Dec-2012 21:52
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Embassy also wrote on their FB you use standard RealD glasses :)

Interesting rundown of worlds critics review of it on stuff now, Most saying the smoothing when panning is nice, but its nearly too clear (I'm guessing it will be like the processing on tvs when watching Lost when it was finally in HD... that queer over smooth look)

And all trending that the real story doesn't start soon enough (bit slow and all)

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