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  Reply # 740719 6-Jan-2013 18:12
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Hmmm some police may do this (OP) but I have much respect for them, we more imo.

I understand how frustrating it must be yes, but dont crucify them all because of one may have done it :)

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  Reply # 740750 6-Jan-2013 20:27
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freitasm: snip


Although I doubt the IPCA would be at all interested in investigating what, at worst, *may* be a minor traffic infringement. A traffic complaint would be the most appropriate course of action but the OP hasn't indicated whether they even noted the rego..

scuwp: It still has yet to be proven that the Police officer was not "speeding" in the execution of his/her duty.


It's still yet to proven it was even a police officer. The whole story is riddled with unknowns and assumptions.

qwerty7: It just feels sort of crap that I can get done for 55 km/h when police themselves daily while not on duty.


Where's your evidence for this? Are you basing your comment on seeing one police car you claim to have been "speeding", when you have no idea who was driving it or what they were doing? Are you trying to claim, based on seeing this one car that the person driving (male or female?) was an off-duty police officer? Are you also trying to claim police officers are not liable if caught speeding?

 
 
 
 




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  Reply # 740774 6-Jan-2013 21:42
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freitasm: snip


Although I doubt the IPCA would be at all interested in investigating what, at worst, *may* be a minor traffic infringement. A traffic complaint would be the most appropriate course of action but the OP hasn't indicated whether they even noted the rego..

scuwp: It still has yet to be proven that the Police officer was not "speeding" in the execution of his/her duty.


It's still yet to proven it was even a police officer. The whole story is riddled with unknowns and assumptions.

qwerty7: It just feels sort of crap that I can get done for 55 km/h when police themselves daily while not on duty.


Where's your evidence for this? Are you basing your comment on seeing one police car you claim to have been "speeding", when you have no idea who was driving it or what they were doing? Are you trying to claim, based on seeing this one car that the person driving (male or female?) was an off-duty police officer? Are you also trying to claim police officers are not liable if caught speeding?

Jeeze as I said before It was an unmarked car with stock rims light bars etc. I saw them go past and then pulled out behind them. I know a cop car when I see one. Unless it was two people in police uniform, driving a car the same model holden as the police do with the same stock rims, lights bars and ariels which I highly doubt. It was a cop car ok.. just accept it. 

I am not saying the police officer should be forced to sit on 50.00 whether on or off duty. I am saying the fact police etc and everyone on the road including probably everyone in this thread probably does 55 km/h or more most of the time in a 50 km/h zone. Do not pretend you don't. Because police themselves and lawmakers exceed posted speeds by 5 + km/h daily I do not believe motorist should be penalized for doing the same. !0 km/h or more over the posted speed yes. But the 4km/h tolerance rule is bollocks.

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  Reply # 740780 6-Jan-2013 21:55
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Maybe 8% is too generous...
Maybe it's not....
Hell why not drive at 60 or 65, or 70 if you've got a better type of vehicle

Or maybe we should just all be Policemen and have their training and spend all that time behind a wheel looking for folk who are only a little bit guilty

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  Reply # 740781 6-Jan-2013 21:57
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qwerty7: everyone in this thread probably does 55 km/h or more most of the time in a 50 km/h zone. Do not pretend you don't. Because police themselves and lawmakers exceed posted speeds by 5 + km/h daily I do not believe motorist should be penalized for doing the same. !0 km/h or more over the posted speed yes. But the 4km/h tolerance rule is bollocks.


Then why isn't the speed limit just set at 60 km/h? The posted speed limit is 50 km/h. Therefore, motorists should travel at a speed equal to or less than 50 km/h, +/- the accepted error in speedometers (10%, so up to 55km/h).

Given that, I feel that the 4km/h tolerance by police should be permanent.

And I am one that actually tries pretty hard to not exceed 54km/h. I know the error for my car - and when I do travel at 54km/h(ish), I'm more often than not actually going faster than other motorists (such is the fact that a lot of drivers don't know that all speedometers have significant error - so they actually travel slower than they think they are).

On the other hand, those that do go faster (noticeably so), generally fit into the boy racer stereotype - and I actively hope they get caught, or crash.

tl;dr - 10km/h tolerance makes a mockery of the posted speed limit. It should be permanently at 5km/h.




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  Reply # 740797 6-Jan-2013 22:41
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mjb:
qwerty7: everyone in this thread probably does 55 km/h or more most of the time in a 50 km/h zone. Do not pretend you don't. Because police themselves and lawmakers exceed posted speeds by 5 + km/h daily I do not believe motorist should be penalized for doing the same. !0 km/h or more over the posted speed yes. But the 4km/h tolerance rule is bollocks.


Then why isn't the speed limit just set at 60 km/h? The posted speed limit is 50 km/h. Therefore, motorists should travel at a speed equal to or less than 50 km/h, +/- the accepted error in speedometers (10%, so up to 55km/h).

Given that, I feel that the 4km/h tolerance by police should be permanent.

And I am one that actually tries pretty hard to not exceed 54km/h. I know the error for my car - and when I do travel at 54km/h(ish), I'm more often than not actually going faster than other motorists (such is the fact that a lot of drivers don't know that all speedometers have significant error - so they actually travel slower than they think they are).

On the other hand, those that do go faster (noticeably so), generally fit into the boy racer stereotype - and I actively hope they get caught, or crash.

tl;dr - 10km/h tolerance makes a mockery of the posted speed limit. It should be permanently at 5km/h.


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It's also worth noting that since at least 2003 (I can't be bothered spending hours reading all the past revisions of UNECE regulation 39) cars made to European standards (which is most, you'll almost certainly find an E in a circle on several parts of your car including the lights and windows) it has been required that speedometers do not display a speed lower than the actual speed, nor a speed greater than 10% over plus 4km/h. 

In discussions I have had on other forums about speedometer accuracy, most people have found that their cars generally have very accurate speedos, with a fixed 3-4km/h added on the dash to remove the risk of under-reading. Testing was carried out by reading the speed value from the ECU with a scan tool, and also by comparing the odometer to distances measured from the mile posts on US interstates.

As such, I feel that a 5km/h tolerance is reasonable even at 100km/h, as keeping your speedo closer to the 100 line than the 110 is pretty straight forward and a value of 105 on the dash is extremely unlikely to get you a ticket unless you have tyres that are too big.


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  Reply # 740798 6-Jan-2013 22:56
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qwerty7:Jeeze as I said before It was an unmarked car with stock rims light bars etc. I saw them go past and then pulled out behind them. I know a cop car when I see one. Unless it was two people in police uniform, driving a car the same model holden as the police do with the same stock rims, lights bars and ariels which I highly doubt. It was a cop car ok.. just accept it.

Point out to me one place where I have doubted you saw a police CAR? You appear to have no idea who was driving it or what they were doing, yet you're happy to cast dispersions. Police get ticketed, both off duty and on duty. Every now and again the papers will run story about how many on duty police have received tickets - off duty police isn't recorded. You're whole approach to this [lack of] situation is just a massive empty whinge. Get over yourself.

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  Reply # 740799 6-Jan-2013 22:59
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speeding isn't the only thing cops fail with whilst driving

whilst working on a gate as security (I work for RedBadge Security and hold a current C.O.A) I pulled up 6 officers in six different cars at the Hawkes Bay AMP show for failing to indicate the street was very busy so I have no qualms in letting them know they are breaking the law..... And you know what not a single one complained to my boss and they all indicated when leaving


and on the speedo +/- I checked mine via an GPS speedo app on my phone when it said I was doin 50 my speedo on the dash read 54 (so I'll read that as +/- 4KMph error) the app also logs speed every 5 seconds so good for proof if I ever get pulled up



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  Reply # 740801 6-Jan-2013 23:15
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Dratsab:
qwerty7:Jeeze as I said before It was an unmarked car with stock rims light bars etc. I saw them go past and then pulled out behind them. I know a cop car when I see one. Unless it was two people in police uniform, driving a car the same model holden as the police do with the same stock rims, lights bars and ariels which I highly doubt. It was a cop car ok.. just accept it.

Point out to me one place where I have doubted you saw a police CAR? You appear to have no idea who was driving it or what they were doing, yet you're happy to cast dispersions. Police get ticketed, both off duty and on duty. Every now and again the papers will run story about how many on duty police have received tickets - off duty police isn't recorded. You're whole approach to this [lack of] situation is just a massive empty whinge. Get over yourself.


My main reason for starting the thread was to gain opinions. I am now satisfied.

Although I still don't get your argument about I don't know who was driving. You ask me to point out a place where you have doubted me then straight after say I appear to have no idea who was driving. The thread title obviously implies I thought it was a cop so why say I seem to have no idea who was driving.  Read what I wrote. 

It was an unmarked car with stock rims light bars etc. I saw them go past and then pulled out behind them. I know a cop car when I see one. Unless it was two people in police uniform, driving a car the same model holden as the police do with the same stock rims, lights bars and ariels which I highly doubt. It was a cop car ok.. just accept it

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  Reply # 740802 6-Jan-2013 23:16
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Athlonite: I checked mine via an GPS speedo app on my phone when it said I was doin 50 my speedo on the dash read 54 (so I'll read that as +/- 4KMph error)


Check at multiple speeds, as you may find that that error is actually ratiometric (i.e., 8%, it might be 108km/h at 100km/h of GPS speed). Mine is less - 4%, so it shows 104km/h at 100km/h of GPS speed.




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  Reply # 740803 6-Jan-2013 23:21
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mjb:
Athlonite: I checked mine via an GPS speedo app on my phone when it said I was doin 50 my speedo on the dash read 54 (so I'll read that as +/- 4KMph error)


Check at multiple speeds, as you may find that that error is actually ratiometric (i.e., 8%, it might be 108km/h at 100km/h of GPS speed). Mine is less - 4%, so it shows 104km/h at 100km/h of GPS speed.



Ha yes I did do that I checked at 50/70/100 all were + 4~5 KMh on the speedo vs the GPS

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  Reply # 740804 6-Jan-2013 23:22
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What is it with New Zealanders obsession with speed limits, cops going over the limit and the road toll ?

A speed limit is just an arbitrary number on a pole. 




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  Reply # 740805 6-Jan-2013 23:27
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mjb:
qwerty7: everyone in this thread probably does 55 km/h or more most of the time in a 50 km/h zone. Do not pretend you don't. Because police themselves and lawmakers exceed posted speeds by 5 + km/h daily I do not believe motorist should be penalized for doing the same. !0 km/h or more over the posted speed yes. But the 4km/h tolerance rule is bollocks.


Then why isn't the speed limit just set at 60 km/h? The posted speed limit is 50 km/h. Therefore, motorists should travel at a speed equal to or less than 50 km/h, +/- the accepted error in speedometers (10%, so up to 55km/h).

Given that, I feel that the 4km/h tolerance by police should be permanent.

And I am one that actually tries pretty hard to not exceed 54km/h. I know the error for my car - and when I do travel at 54km/h(ish), I'm more often than not actually going faster than other motorists (such is the fact that a lot of drivers don't know that all speedometers have significant error - so they actually travel slower than they think they are).

On the other hand, those that do go faster (noticeably so), generally fit into the boy racer stereotype - and I actively hope they get caught, or crash.

tl;dr - 10km/h tolerance makes a mockery of the posted speed limit. It should be permanently at 5km/h.

Good argument. Although I feel funny about the exactness of 56 k's and you get a ticket considering most people don't know the accuracy of their speedo. Also the fact that 1 km/h can put you in the next bracket up of speeding penalty when there is so much room for error in terms of speed detection. 

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  Reply # 740828 7-Jan-2013 07:32
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If one reads the legislation there is no tolerance, the law is specific as to set maximum allowable speed.




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  Reply # 740833 7-Jan-2013 08:25
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qwerty7: br>Good argument. Although I feel funny about the exactness of 56 k's and you get a ticket considering most people don't know the accuracy of their speedo. Also the fact that 1 km/h can put you in the next bracket up of speeding penalty when there is so much room for error in terms of speed detection. 

Clearly you're in holiday mode and your brain is disconnected.....
The difference between being over any limit and within it will always be '1'.
In this case the actual limit is 4, which is 8 percent at 50kph

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