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Topic # 113080 4-Jan-2013 22:15
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This morning I was behind an undercover cop car with no lights or sirens on doing 63 kph in a 50 kph area.
My speedo said 57 / 58 .. yes I was doing over 50.. so sue me. There was an ever increasing distance between me and the cop car in front. My car is not old, does not have aftermarket rims or any other such modifications. Infact it has only done 2000 k's and was built last year. If my speedo is over by 5 kph from factory the cop was still doing over 50. The point is without a doubt police do over 50 kph in 50 kph areas when they are not on duty, or on a job with (lights and/or sirens). 

  • Why should I get a ticket for doing 55 in a 50 when they do the same?
  • It should not be one rule for them and another for everyone else
  • I am not against police but can they + the government just admit getting as ticket for doing 55 in a 50 is unreasonable

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  Reply # 740781 6-Jan-2013 21:57
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qwerty7: everyone in this thread probably does 55 km/h or more most of the time in a 50 km/h zone. Do not pretend you don't. Because police themselves and lawmakers exceed posted speeds by 5 + km/h daily I do not believe motorist should be penalized for doing the same. !0 km/h or more over the posted speed yes. But the 4km/h tolerance rule is bollocks.

Then why isn't the speed limit just set at 60 km/h? The posted speed limit is 50 km/h. Therefore, motorists should travel at a speed equal to or less than 50 km/h, +/- the accepted error in speedometers (10%, so up to 55km/h).

Given that, I feel that the 4km/h tolerance by police should be permanent.

And I am one that actually tries pretty hard to not exceed 54km/h. I know the error for my car - and when I do travel at 54km/h(ish), I'm more often than not actually going faster than other motorists (such is the fact that a lot of drivers don't know that all speedometers have significant error - so they actually travel slower than they think they are).

On the other hand, those that do go faster (noticeably so), generally fit into the boy racer stereotype - and I actively hope they get caught, or crash.

tl;dr - 10km/h tolerance makes a mockery of the posted speed limit. It should be permanently at 5km/h.


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  Reply # 740966 7-Jan-2013 11:57
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Journeyman: \

Anyway... what I really wanted to say is that you can always complain - or even query - a police officer's behaviour directly with the police themselves. If you don't trust them to investigate their own, go to the IPCA. They have to take every complaint seriously. Case in point - I was turning off the motorway one night and some car barrelled up behind me, sat on my bumper and as soon as the offramp split into two lanes, it caned past me - very close by. That's dickish behaviour from anybody, but as I got to the traffic lights I was pretty surprised to see that there was a cop driving the car! So I emailed the IPCA and said (paraphrasing) "look, I'm not looking to make a big deal but this is pretty dodgy driving from a cop and I'd like it looked into." The end result was a letter from the police explaining that the officer had an unruly fellow in the back seat and was trying to get back to the station as quick as possible and using lights and sirens would have further agitated him. Hey, you know what? Sweet as! I could take it one of two ways - either it's a BS excuse for being a mong, or it's a perfectly legit explanation and I'll give the guy the benefit of the doubt (I took the second pov, btw). I still think it's dickish to tailgate someone who is obeying the law, but I accept that sh.t happens in trying circumstances and so as far as I'm concerned, it's all sorted..

Well said Journeyman, its good to see that the system does work, to add to your comments: while the IPCA is a great solution I would still implore people to first report it directly to the police. If you see any worrying driving behaviour by a member (sworn/non-sworn) of the NZ Police your first port of call should be either to report it by calling *555 (make sure you have the rego, all police staff logged on should have a car rego logged against their call sign), a job will be taken and it WILL be passed to the senior responsible for this officer, OR follow the dissatisfaction/complaints procedure on the Police website (which has multiple options for complaints to be lodged).

The IPCA has a large work load and should really only be used when you cannot get an acceptable resolution from the Police first.

For details on making a complaint against police see the IPCA and Police.

Likewise, if you have any praise do use the feedback form on the Police website to pass this on, everyone loves good feedback.


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  Reply # 741260 7-Jan-2013 19:50
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Journeyman: ..deleted...discouraged.

Great comment. At the start of the thread I thought police had to have lights and or sirens when breaking the speed for a reason. Looks like I am wrong. I estimated this cop was doing about 63 using the figure on my speedo and the rate of increasing distance between us. I have no intention of making a formal complaint or such, the road was empty, long straight and before 8 in the morning. It simply made me question why should I as a citizen be able to be ticketed for doing 56 km/h in a 50. If I got a ticket for doing 56 km/h in a 50 I would not be too happy as I know almost for a fact that the officer has probably reached 56 km/h in a 50 k zone himself within the last 24 hours without any real reason apart from speed variance, nobody can keep their speedo bang on 50 and not go a km over all the time. I also hope that no cop or citizen continually drives 10 km/h over the posted speed limit.

The essence of you question seems to by why cops can break the speed limit if they are not going to a job and you cant.

Cops cant break the speed without a defence, ie urgent duty, and if they get caught (and they do get caught both by speed cameras and other cops (yes its true, cops do ticket cops)) they get a ticket - just the same as you get a ticket. So to answer you question, no cops are no different to you.

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