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  Reply # 751536 27-Jan-2013 17:10
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It talks about cars, but I assume like with current annual warrants, the same will apply to motorbikes?

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  Reply # 751549 27-Jan-2013 17:30
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I doubt the actual warrant will cost more but fewer mechanics will allow things to slide for twelve months.

That means not as much "she'll be right till next time" with brake pads, tyres and so on.

This sounds like a good thing but in actual fact it simply means things will be repaired too early - while they still have life in them.

It just got more expensive to maintain a car. Enjoy :)

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  Reply # 751567 27-Jan-2013 17:52
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1080p: I doubt the actual warrant will cost more but fewer mechanics will allow things to slide for twelve months.

That means not as much "she'll be right till next time" with brake pads, tyres and so on.

This sounds like a good thing but in actual fact it simply means things will be repaired too early - while they still have life in them.

It just got more expensive to maintain a car. Enjoy :)


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  Reply # 751572 27-Jan-2013 17:55
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Whether it is a good idea depends on the data. The issue is how much of an impact will this have on road safety, and I understand from what I have seen in the media that the expert advice provided to the government is "virtually no impact".

If that's true then I'm all in favour but, if it isn't, then I'm opposed.

Personally, I maintain my (older but low mileage) care well and have never failed a warrant. For me, 6-month warrants are a pain in the backside. It's not just the cost - it's the hassle factor of getting the car to the garage, picking it up afterwards (I can never get away from work in time to get there before they close) etc.

I take the media campaign by the MTA with multiple grains of salt - their members stay in business by doing warrant work. Asking them whether it's a good idea for people to get frequent WoF inspections is like asking a Harvey Norman sales manager whether it's a good idea to upgrade my TV by buying a new one off them - it's not exactly unbiased advice!

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  Reply # 751576 27-Jan-2013 18:25
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1080p: I doubt the actual warrant will cost more but fewer mechanics will allow things to slide for twelve months.

That means not as much "she'll be right till next time" with brake pads, tyres and so on.

This sounds like a good thing but in actual fact it simply means things will be repaired too early - while they still have life in them.

It just got more expensive to maintain a car. Enjoy :)


As I said above, it will cost more and there is no doubt about that as it will be a more comprehesive test. How much more will be seen when NZTA starts the new WOF issuing audit guidelines and tests for WOF issuers.

And as said earlier, the vehicle only has to pass on the day the inspection is carried out and any areas that will need attention soon are usually brought to the owners attention - not be OK for the next twelve months. It has, and always will be the vehicle owners responsibilty to keep it in WOF condition.

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  Reply # 751586 27-Jan-2013 18:57
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clevedon: As I said above, it will cost more and there is no doubt about that as it will be a more comprehesive test. How much more will be seen when NZTA starts the new WOF issuing audit guidelines and tests for WOF issuers.

I have not heard about this. Are there any discussion papers about proposed changes or proposed ideas about what changes are desirable?

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  Reply # 751588 27-Jan-2013 18:59
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JimmyH: Asking them whether it's a good idea for people to get frequent WoF inspections is like asking a Harvey Norman sales manager whether it's a good idea to upgrade my TV by buying a new one off them - it's not exactly unbiased advice!


More like buying a new TV at Harvey Norman and asking the sales person it is worth buying the extended warranty...






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  Reply # 751596 27-Jan-2013 19:01
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casewindow: The new rules look like they'll take upto July 2014 to come into force anyway, so you'll have lots of time to find out from the LTSA


I noticed this.  The good old NZ lets take a long time to do it.  Like the left turn rule change.  Why can't they just  say from the next WOF  it will be 12 months  or 6 depending on vehicle age




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  Reply # 751598 27-Jan-2013 19:02
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sbiddle: The WOF in many ways has become an ambulance at the bottom of the cliff for people who are too lazy to do any basic maintenance on their vehicles.

The MTA's own stats published to try and stop WOF changes show very clearly that for vehicles up to 10 years old there are 3 very significant areas vehicles fail a WOF in - tyres, lights, and wipers or cracked windscreen. Rather than many people taking any personal responsibility for their vehicle and ensuring that their tyres aren't bald, they wait until they fail the WOF and are forced to act. Checking that your tyres aren't bald, all your lights work, and that your washers and wiper blades work correctly literally takes 2 minutes to do.


So how do the drivers in the rest of the world handle it?? 




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  Reply # 751603 27-Jan-2013 19:10
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1080p:This sounds like a good thing but in actual fact it simply means things will be repaired too early - while they still have life in them.



If the place that's doing your WOF says this it'll pay to go elsewhere because they're pulling the wool over your eyes.

The WOF was, and still is a test of the compliance at the time the test is done. It's not a test of whether the tyres will still be good in 6 months or a year after the test date. If your vehicle meets the WOF requirements at the time of the WOF it gets a pass. If it doesn't it fails.


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  Reply # 751607 27-Jan-2013 19:20
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clevedon: As I said above, it will cost more and there is no doubt about that as it will be a more comprehesive test. How much more will be seen when NZTA starts the new WOF issuing audit guidelines and tests for WOF issuers.

I have not heard about this. Are there any discussion papers about proposed changes or proposed ideas about what changes are desirable?


As it was only announced today, none of us know the details yet.
 

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  Reply # 751615 27-Jan-2013 19:37
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I wonder whether the yearly WOFs will only kick in after having a WOF. Eg what if I get a WOF a few days before the rule kicks in which lasts for six months, will that automatically be upgraded to a 12 month WOF?

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  Reply # 751617 27-Jan-2013 19:42
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gzt:
clevedon: As I said above, it will cost more and there is no doubt about that as it will be a more comprehesive test. How much more will be seen when NZTA starts the new WOF issuing audit guidelines and tests for WOF issuers.

I have not heard about this. Are there any discussion papers about proposed changes or proposed ideas about what changes are desirable?


As it was only announced today, none of us know the details yet.
 


I have seen nothing announced that there will be new audit guidelines or tests for the WOF. Can you point to anything at all which says there will be new guidelines or tests?

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  Reply # 751624 27-Jan-2013 19:59
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There is no mention I have seen relating to new standards. The Vehicle Inspection Requirements Manual (VIRM) sets the standards for pass/fail at the time the test is completed. The inspectors cannot 'guess' future wear and tear.

The check is the check, and that's all there is to it...there is simply nothing more on a car that can be checked, so I can't see how it could be more 'comprehensive' or more expensive.

The NZTA already have a comprehensive review/audit for WoF agents...so nothing new their either.

Google 'VIRM' if you want to look up what your car can fail on






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  Reply # 751634 27-Jan-2013 20:32
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scuwp:The check is the check, and that's all there is to it...there is simply nothing more on a car that can be checked, so I can't see how it could be more 'comprehensive' or more expensive.


They might require all wheels/brake drums to be taken off to better check brake components, brake fluid/water moisture percentages which is not checked now currently, and any number of other things they might want to be better looked at - simply, you don't know.

Nobody knows what will happen yet, that is why the implementation is not until next year.


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