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  Reply # 763481 16-Feb-2013 17:19
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So really you want people to bank roll your case.

Are you a scammer? You never said, when you asked for $100 that you were only going to be doing this for yourself.



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  Reply # 763482 16-Feb-2013 17:19
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freitasm:
googleantitrust: This is the true extent of monopolies in this Country and overseas - so I do not expect any high level analysis from your average IT consultant who gets his news from CNN and the Herald, or even the NBR for that matter.
Cheers :)


Wow. Some pointed accusations there. Obviously, from your point of view, there's only one person in this thread who is aware of all the machinations of evil companies such as Google, then?

As I said before, take off your tinfoil hat. There's no space here for crazy conspiracy theories.



Who is this chatcter who always jumps up with the "Tinfoil Hat Conspiracy" comment everytime he reads something a bit beyond him?

Where do you think the NZ finance companies were getting their money mate? Printing it themselves? They all had MASSIVE advances and overdrafts with the big banks both her and overseas. This big banks new exactly where the market was going, mostly because they control interest rates.

That is not too difficult to understand is it? Just because it is beyond your level of comprehension, does not make it a conspiracy theory. 

People who cannot understand how monopoly abuse works are not much use to this conversation really.




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  Reply # 763483 16-Feb-2013 17:21
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googleantitrust: Who is this chatcter who always jumps up with the "Tinfoil Hat Conspiracy" comment everytime he reads something a bit beyond him?


"This chatcter (sic)" is the guy who just hit the BANHAMMER in your account.







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  Reply # 763484 16-Feb-2013 17:21
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An SEO person irate that their tricks are not getting them on "page one" any more. Well colour me surprised, who would have thought that :-/

Sorry, but 99% of "SEO" companies out there just make my skin crawl. Sure there's a tiny few good honest ones that will advise their clients "produce good content, have good relationships, get people to your site, build it right and they will come", but 99% of them use underhanded tricks, link farming, quackery, and simply give silly false promises.

I don't think I'd be alone on Geekzone in my opinion. This probably isn't the right place for you to be drumming up support.





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  Reply # 763486 16-Feb-2013 17:24
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sleemanj: An SEO person irate that their tricks are not getting them on "page one" any more. Well colour me surprised, who would have thought that :-/

Sorry, but 99% of "SEO" companies out there just make my skin crawl. Sure there's a tiny few good honest ones that will advise their clients "produce good content, have good relationships, get people to your site, build it right and they will come", but 99% of them use underhanded tricks, link farming, quackery, and simply give silly false promises.

I don't think I'd be alone on Geekzone in my opinion. This probably isn't the right place for you to be drumming up support.



Correct. Most of the SEO hack jobs I've seen in New Zealand went like this:

"SEO Expert": We can make your web site show up in the first page on Google results. It only costs $15,000
"Customer": DEAL!

SEO Expert turns around, hire outsouced spammer from third world country paying $5 a day, who goes around blogs, forums posting unrelated comments such as "I found your blog great inspiration. Thanks for your posts, I will be back for more. You can find IT Jobs at www.spamjobsparadise.com"

In other words: a lot of spam going online is actually work of "SEO Experts".





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  Reply # 763492 16-Feb-2013 17:40
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I'm sorry, but I firmly believe that 'SEO' is something basic that is done by any competent web developer while they build your website - if a site is built using 'Best Practices' then Google (or any other crawler) will index your site just fine.

My experience of 'SEO experts' is they try to bend the rules/exploit algorithms to artificially raise page rank higher than they should really be given the content they provide. I advise all my clients to avoid anyone who claims to be a SEO expert like the plague. And instead, to spend their budget on focusing on producing great content, and being relevant to the search terms you want people to find you under.




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  Reply # 763504 16-Feb-2013 18:01
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RedJungle: I'm sorry, but I firmly believe that 'SEO' is something basic that is done by any competent web developer while they build your website - if a site is built using 'Best Practices' then Google (or any other crawler) will index your site just fine. 

My experience of 'SEO experts' is they try to bend the rules/exploit algorithms to artificially raise page rank higher than they should really be given the content they provide. I advise all my clients to avoid anyone who claims to be a SEO expert like the plague. And instead, to spend their budget on focusing on producing great content, and being relevant to the search terms you want people to find you under.


I totally agree. However there are people who own websites, who do want to employ people to to try to get higher results. But SEO can't complain if they google change things, which are supposedly done to make results more relevant anyway. SEO companies who guarantee first page result, which I have seen several NZ ones doing, are really asking for trouble when google change things. They should never be guaranteeing that , when they have no control over what google do.

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  Reply # 763570 16-Feb-2013 20:21
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@googleantitrust:

1. Sometimes the simplest explanation is the most plausible. Definitionally, only one link can be top in any given search. Pretty much every commercial website wants to be top of search rankings and optimises their sites to climb the rankings. Your clients pay you to do this, doubtless Yellow pays its own experts to do this. Maybe their experts are just better than you? Maybe Yellow has put effort into improving the quality and relevance of their pages, and this is reflected in rankings?

2. Google constantly changes its algorithms to try and neutralise optimisers who use tricks to try and manipulate search results and lower search quality. They are good at it, and that's a major reason why they are still a viable widely preferred search engine that has beaten off many competitors (Excite, Altavista, Yahoo etc). You admit you were using tricks (err "techniques") to push search results up the ranking, and maybe Google just got tired of what people using these tricks were doing to the integrity of search results and tweaked their algorithms to neutralise them? Personally, I despise the dross that "optimised" websites force me to wade through when looking for something, and applaud anything Google does to nuke them from orbit.

3. Google doesn't actually have a monopoly, and others (eg Bing) are pouring vast resources into trying to compete. If they do something dumb - like failing to keep their algorithms tuned, and allowing spammy "optimised" sites to climb the rankings - then users would go elsewhere and their business would decline very quickly. See Excite, Altavista, Yahoo etc above.

4. If you indeed have one, your "expert" in "Monopoly and website law". They are taking you for a ride. I don't even think you can file such class action suits in NZ, let alone win them.

5. Re: the "$100 filing fee if I want to join the lawsuit" bit, I get email offers similar to that all the time. Usually from friendly gentlemen in Nigeria. Even if I were in a position where I shared your concerns, you would have to do a whole lot more to convince me that your accusations were real and that you had a chance of winning before I would join in or part with any cash.

6. What do finance company insolvencies have, even remotely, to do with any of this?

(Edit: left a word out)

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  Reply # 763651 17-Feb-2013 04:14
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Freitasm, Would you be able to share the email he sent to you with us? Unless for privacy reasons...




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  Reply # 763654 17-Feb-2013 07:35
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Just a series of bad words together. Basically confirmation the guy shouldn't be here in first place and not a professional.





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  Reply # 763661 17-Feb-2013 09:05
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Just to take a step back here.

You promise for $x to make your client rate highly in Google search right - well, lets say that there are 50 competitors who also pay $x to rate highly. Therein the problem starts - all 51 of you aren't going to get that #1 slot are you?

And we inevitably end up, somewhere with someone with a case of sour grapes.

Simplistic perhaps - but tell me I'm wrong...

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  Reply # 763665 17-Feb-2013 09:12
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Over promised under delivered to customer!

Let me guess customer is asking for $$$$ back and you have no money?

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  Reply # 763667 17-Feb-2013 09:24
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Shame the OP can't answer that! Agree with Red Jungle. Google is so successful because it provides relevant results to the end user.

As long as the website is well built then Google results should come naturally.

I am no expert but the websites I have built have slowly tracked up the google rankings after build due to relevancy. I don't promise anything to the client with regard to Google rankings.

Cheers, Matt.




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  Reply # 763717 17-Feb-2013 12:27
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Well, we gave him a chance but this looks more like a desperate attempt to retain clients by misdirection than an allegation to take seriously.

No name, no details, not even one example to show that google search is working other than should be expected.

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  Reply # 763811 17-Feb-2013 15:33
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googleantitrust:
freitasm:
googleantitrust: This is the true extent of monopolies in this Country and overseas - so I do not expect any high level analysis from your average IT consultant who gets his news from CNN and the Herald, or even the NBR for that matter.
Cheers :)


Wow. Some pointed accusations there. Obviously, from your point of view, there's only one person in this thread who is aware of all the machinations of evil companies such as Google, then?

As I said before, take off your tinfoil hat. There's no space here for crazy conspiracy theories.



Who is this chatcter who always jumps up with the "Tinfoil Hat Conspiracy" comment everytime he reads something a bit beyond him?

Where do you think the NZ finance companies were getting their money mate? Printing it themselves? They all had MASSIVE advances and overdrafts with the big banks both her and overseas. This big banks new exactly where the market was going, mostly because they control interest rates.

That is not too difficult to understand is it? Just because it is beyond your level of comprehension, does not make it a conspiracy theory. 

People who cannot understand how monopoly abuse works are not much use to this conversation really.



HAHAHA, this is too good! Just got to quote it to double highlight it to everybody :-P

 

Who is this character "freitasm" after all....   hmmm.....




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