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  Reply # 766841 21-Feb-2013 09:27
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Bung:  That'll also work for the ... JW's.


Really? I didn't know that. I'm going to stick one to the ranch slider I will be sitting on the other side of reading a book next time I notice them coming down the driveway.




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  Reply # 766853 21-Feb-2013 09:40
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If what some has said is true - that they have never filled out a census form then it would be likely that quite a few have managed not to fill them in - and there have been no consequences for many of them. It does then raise questions about the statistics gathered as they do not include information that the evaders would have otherwise included that may have changed the results.

One must also assume that many fill in false information and the statistics department would have no idea what is true and what is false so the results are not a true reflection of the situation in NZ.

Does anyone know what percentage of the population get away with not filling in the forms or fill in incorrect information?

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  Reply # 766864 21-Feb-2013 10:01
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no idea. I do, however, know of at least one person who was prosecuted and fined for not filling in his census form (he burnt it in protest I beleive, possibly right in front of the person delivering it if memory serves)

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  Reply # 766871 21-Feb-2013 10:24
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not sure why so many area against census ... it's a good thing to have robust data

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  Reply # 766893 21-Feb-2013 11:13
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Are we suppose to have the forms by now ?
Dont think anyone in our area has them (or not mentioned it)




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  Reply # 766896 21-Feb-2013 11:15
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xpd: Are we suppose to have the forms by now ?
Dont think anyone in our area has them (or not mentioned it)

Mine only came in yesterday. They don't have to be delivered until 5/3.

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  Reply # 766905 21-Feb-2013 11:16
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Ah, k, probably still working their way up to us :)




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  Reply # 766906 21-Feb-2013 11:20
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DravidDavid: Is the form in general compulsory?


For everyone except the Christchurch wizard.


Incidentally , it is in everyones best interest to complete the census . 

Otherwise, don't complain when you get stuck in congestion of any type, or receive poor service from a government department. 

The census is important for future planning of the country, and avoiding it will mean worse planning decisions. 

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  Reply # 766908 21-Feb-2013 11:23
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Distorter: Nearly 30 and never filled out a Census form or voted.

The Illuminati don't know I exist, so hopefully I am safe.


I suppose you are against vaccinations too and don't believe in the moon landing. 

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  Reply # 766913 21-Feb-2013 11:27
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joker97: not sure why so many area against census ... it's a good thing to have robust data


Because many of the questions are incredibly invasive, and would in fact be illegal for anyone else to collect.  And the data retention at Stats NZ is patently frightening - the Privacy Act hammer would come down hard on any other organisation who sought to retain raw data for no reason for one hundred years and certainly no other organisation would be permitted to then release such massive amounts of information to the public.

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  Reply # 766933 21-Feb-2013 11:46
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geek4me:
Does anyone know what percentage of the population get away with not filling in the forms or fill in incorrect information?


Um - no - We would need them to fill out a census form so we know they exist :)

Actually thats not quite ture. Stats NZalso does processing of immigration / emmigration, Births deaths Marriages etc so they wouldhave a fair idea. sharing or NON PERSONALLY IDENTIFIABLE information such as numbers of tax payers is also another indicator.

geek4me: If what some has said is true - that they have never filled out a census form then it would be likely that quite a few have managed not to fill them in - and there have been no consequences for many of them. It does then raise questions about the statistics gathered as they do not include information that the evaders would have otherwise included that may have changed the results.

One must also assume that many fill in false information and the statistics department would have no idea what is true and what is false so the results are not a true reflection of the situation in NZ.


The number of not filled in is statistically insignificant.

As for bung answers - there was a move two census ago to get Cantabrian or similar recognised as an ethnicity. They made the threshold but were rejected as it was blatantly obvious it was wrong. There are also processes fro weeding funny data out of the system (e.g. Male who has given birth). The rest is so insiginificant that it falls well withen the margin of error allowed and can be ignored.

There is also a prosecutions database that tracks those who havent filled in forms / returned them. It is taken quite seriously.

As for intrusive - most of the data is possible to glean in other ways -marriage certs, birth records (children registered by parents), observation of your gender and whether you go to church on Sunday, Saturday, the mosque, the temple or sit in a pub etc.  Ethnicity, heck people will ask you if you look like you are from other place or have an accent. Most of the data collected is public domain (ie we can see you are a male with a wife and three kids living in a house in Petone and you work in a job which pays in the range of $X.   all the census does is link the stats together more easily in a manner that makes it possible to draw conclusions aobut the relationships between data domains (e.g. males in income group by ethnicity).

The thing I find most worrying / annoying or offensive is that they keep insisting I am European when my family has been here for 6-7 generations. I have no link to Italy, England, Germany, French Canadia, Scotland, Irelandor other places my great, great, great, great, great something came from. WE might as well call the Maori Chinese as there is some evidence of them originating from Asia several thousand years ago. Aotearoan / Non Maori. / Caucasian ... I am all those things but I am not European!.





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nunz: The thing I find most worrying / annoying or offensive is that they keep insisting I am European



Isn't there an 'Other' slot where you can describe yourself as whatever you want?

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  Reply # 766988 21-Feb-2013 12:43
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apparently in the early early early days you had to declare whether one was imbecile

perhaps the data collecting or handling of raw forms could be improved

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surfisup1000: 
I suppose you are against vaccinations too and don't believe in the moon landing. 



Ha, sucker! Everyone knows the moon itself is a hoax perpetrated by Gallileo in 1437 in order to gain patronage from the prince of Venice. It is made of vellum coated in candle wax and smells faintly of cheese. This is the origin of the 'moon is made of cheese' thing, and the real reason he was excommunicated by the Pope: the princes were not amused when they found out.




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SaltyNZ:
surfisup1000: 
I suppose you are against vaccinations too and don't believe in the moon landing. 



Ha, sucker! Everyone knows the moon itself is a hoax perpetrated by Gallileo in 1437 in order to gain patronage from the prince of Venice. It is made of vellum coated in candle wax and smells faintly of cheese. This is the origin of the 'moon is made of cheese' thing, and the real reason he was excommunicated by the Pope: the princes were not amused when they found out.


That doesn't make census does it?

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