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  Reply # 785729 22-Mar-2013 23:09
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rayonline: It's like the film camera days.  With the less developed interneting days stuff here costed double or triple.  Even now with the internet while few people shoot film they just rocket up the cost 4x (3x more) b/c for the few people if they get 1 or 2 rolls they might just put up with it and that may outweigh if they priced it better from the shop's point of view.  NZ might not be able to compete with the big places overseas and with the internet peopel would go abroad regardless so foer the v few who buy in store here why not reap into them.  OTOH cannot do that with digital cameras b/c the audience is too large and they will just take their business elsewhere.  Like milk is not it ... or anything.  They can rip you off in NZ so they do it, if they do that overseas people there may have other alternatives so they cannot do that.  Non-NZ milk, or maybe forgo it altogether and have a local breakfast instead, - congee, rice, noodles but over here milk / dairy is what most pepole basically only eat.  It's a monopoly here, NZ doesn't have foreign milk afaik.  Most people here don't have rice or noodles for breakie.  They aren't into soy that much but soy in NZ is even more expensive isn't it. 

AirNZ has complained that competition is so tight these days and they mention that airfares haven't changed but costs have increased.  Isn't afaik 20 or 30 yr ago a airfare to Asia was $2,000NZ?  But $2,000 back then will be a lot more today.  Gotta think about how much they made back in the days though ...

I heard that airfares to NZ from UK is a lot cheaper maybe b/c they have a lot of other airlines there going to other places like Canada / USA / Australia that AirNZ has to be competitive but when they are in NZ they have the ability to price it higher.  Just going over to Australia they have more airlines to the rest of the world but for a NZder to do that would mean an extra return fare to Ozzie first.


I can verify this. One of my brothers lives in California.

He can fly Economy to NZ return for about 45% less than I can fly economy on the same flights on the same dates in the opposite directions, so to speak. Why is that? Same planes, same crew, same fuel.

He recently flew LA to London in Premium Economy for the equivalent of $1300 NZ return. We looked on the internet whilst chatting and he could actually fly LA to London Business Class for less than I can fly Auckland to London Economy. Obviously it is further from here, but it is around $12,000 return Business from here!





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  Reply # 785824 23-Mar-2013 11:33
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Since I like to travel for interest ... I find that NZ is pretty expensive.

Not too sure but does NZ have a lot of meals involving a sandwich or pie or the poor mall foods. Because anything better probably cost $15-25 for lunch that is, dinner might be more. That's ignoring any specific specials, just what's generally available. Say you just want a casual sit down meal, not too flash or routine. In a place like Tokyo you can get a set meal in a casual sit down place for least 33% less soup/drink included and sides. And the accom, in NZ other than the hotel chains or backpackers there aren't much intermediate accom if one doesn't wanna travel to the outskirts of the city or the suburbs. So a couple or family who may not want a hostel, may need to fork $150-200 a night? Then is it $15-25 a meal or $15-20 drink included. Had a look at the airport bus, my suburban bus to the city is about $5 in cash (undiscounted) but the airport bus from the city to the airport which is about the same distance cost $9 (Wellington). To get me home should I need to myself that's $14.

How I see it is, NZ isn't as packed as a world city. With the expense here and the costs to get to a diff part of NZ like the ferry and the petrol, going abroad for a break could be a alternative.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 785873 23-Mar-2013 13:12
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rayonline: Since I like to travel for interest ... I find that NZ is pretty expensive.

Not too sure but does NZ have a lot of meals involving a sandwich or pie or the poor mall foods. Because anything better probably cost $15-25 for lunch that is, dinner might be more. That's ignoring any specific specials, just what's generally available. Say you just want a casual sit down meal, not too flash or routine. In a place like Tokyo you can get a set meal in a casual sit down place for least 33% less soup/drink included and sides. And the accom, in NZ other than the hotel chains or backpackers there aren't much intermediate accom if one doesn't wanna travel to the outskirts of the city or the suburbs. So a couple or family who may not want a hostel, may need to fork $150-200 a night? Then is it $15-25 a meal or $15-20 drink included. Had a look at the airport bus, my suburban bus to the city is about $5 in cash (undiscounted) but the airport bus from the city to the airport which is about the same distance cost $9 (Wellington). To get me home should I need to myself that's $14.

How I see it is, NZ isn't as packed as a world city. With the expense here and the costs to get to a diff part of NZ like the ferry and the petrol, going abroad for a break could be a alternative.


One of my businesses involves creating and guiding private tours for photographers visiting from overseas.

Many of my clients are from the USA.

The two most common things they say are that NZ is very expensive to stay in (a typical motel room in the US costs around $65 a night at a Motel 6, which includes coffee and basic breakfast and allows even your pet to stay in the room! This compares to $130 or so here on average for anything I'd be prepared to put clients in) and that "all the restaurants serve the same food!" and that it too is expensive for what you get.

They also tend to deplore the table service as well when eating out - something I must concur with them about.





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  Reply # 785879 23-Mar-2013 13:39
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Geektastic: ... and that "all the restaurants serve the same food!" and that it too is expensive for what you get.


Except for high end restaurants they are right. The variety of cafe food in New Zealand is pretty poor.

Geektastic: They also tend to deplore the table service as well when eating out - something I must concur with them about.


There's a huge difference between professional waiters as we see in some other countries and the very informal service provided by students in cafes. Once again I agree with them.





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  Reply # 785898 23-Mar-2013 14:57
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freitasm: 

There's a huge difference between professional waiters as we see in some other countries and the very informal service provided by students in cafes. Once again I agree with them.



We don't tip in NZ, which could be part of the reason, as there is no incentive for someone on a low wage to provide really good service.

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  Reply # 785983 23-Mar-2013 17:56
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freitasm: 

There's a huge difference between professional waiters as we see in some other countries and the very informal service provided by students in cafes. Once again I agree with them.



We don't tip in NZ, which could be part of the reason, as there is no incentive for someone on a low wage to provide really good service.

Please lets keep it that way.

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  Reply # 785984 23-Mar-2013 18:00
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Ropata:
mattwnz:
freitasm: 

There's a huge difference between professional waiters as we see in some other countries and the very informal service provided by students in cafes. Once again I agree with them.



We don't tip in NZ, which could be part of the reason, as there is no incentive for someone on a low wage to provide really good service.

Please lets keep it that way.


I don't mind tipping for great service, but it's an exception not a rule. Unlike the US where you basically have to

I've even had 17% tip automagically added to my bill then presented with the receipt with a blank space still for tip, and after a few drinks have tipped ontop of that again. Sour taste in mouth and now very careful to look at bill in detail even when pissed

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  Reply # 785997 23-Mar-2013 18:34
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rayonline:Had a look at the airport bus, my suburban bus to the city is about $5 in cash (undiscounted) but the airport bus from the city to the airport which is about the same distance cost $9 (Wellington). To get me home should I need to myself that's $14.



I agree that NZ is a very expensive place to live. Food and drink in particular are now very expensive when you look at income.

The bus comparison isn't a good one though. Buses in most parts of NZ are subsidised services funded by regional councils. The Airport Flyer in Wellington isn't a subsidised service, and Wellington Airport also clip the ticket on any buses or taxis.

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  Reply # 785999 23-Mar-2013 18:40
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mattwnz:
freitasm: 

There's a huge difference between professional waiters as we see in some other countries and the very informal service provided by students in cafes. Once again I agree with them.



We don't tip in NZ, which could be part of the reason, as there is no incentive for someone on a low wage to provide really good service.


Hmmmm. I've seen a right proliferation of tipping jars in eateries and bars over the last few years. I don't tip though.




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  Reply # 786045 23-Mar-2013 20:02
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I guess it doesn't hurt to have a tip jar there, especially for tourists or people who don't want to deal with piles of loose change.

I don't tip. Why should I when the other day I got charged $17.50 for this breakfast main (french toast).  Oh, and please note this is a regular sized plate.  

 

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  Reply # 786056 23-Mar-2013 20:32
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GBristow: There's a solid argument for ending GST and increasing personal/business tax rates. This is going to be an increasingly common problem. Removing GST promotes all kinds of positive effects for the economy. Of course this is unpalatable to the voting public because it means less cash in the hand.


I'm not sure how you conclude that removing GST means less cash in the hand?

But moving along, I don't thing that, on balance, there are good arguments for removing GST and shifting the burden onto personal and business tax rates. It would mean some very hefty increases in tax rates, and that would create other problems. One plus for GST is that mostly (except for small import items) it's pretty hard to avoid. SO even drug dealers and other unsavory characters earning money illegally and probably paying no tax get pinged when they spend money, as do tourists etc who use the our infrastructure while they are here. Plus, the higher you jack income and personal tax rates the more you create incentives for people to engage accountants and spend their time figuring out how to minimise taxes, rather than spend their time doing useful stuff.

Personally, if my marginal tax rate rocketed from 33% to (say) 50% or 60% I would certainly work less - I would probably be takling to my employer about dropping to a 3 or 4 day week with a pro-rata salary reduction. Either that, or I would likely leave for Aus.

I'm pretty sure from what I have read that this is what the evidence says, and what the tax experts have been advising governments.

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  Reply # 786059 23-Mar-2013 20:38
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macuser:

I guess it doesn't hurt to have a tip jar there, especially for tourists or people who don't want to deal with piles of loose change.

I don't tip. Why should I when the other day I got charged $17.50 for this breakfast main (french toast).  Oh, and please note this is a regular sized plate.  

 


I agree with that. I really hate it when I go somewhere nice for food, pay a good whack for it, and go away still hungry. It almost seems like the more you pay, the less you get.

One tip I got from a colleague which has proved useful - when I'm on a budget, looking for a good value feed, and in a town I don't know well is to look for where the truckies are parked up and eating. They tend to know where the value is.


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  Reply # 786062 23-Mar-2013 20:59
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macuser:

I guess it doesn't hurt to have a tip jar there, especially for tourists or people who don't want to deal with piles of loose change.

I don't tip. Why should I when the other day I got charged $17.50 for this breakfast main (french toast).  Oh, and please note this is a regular sized plate.  

 

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I guess you won't go back there ever again

Would yin have been happier if there was more fried bread on your plate? ;)

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  Reply # 786115 23-Mar-2013 23:26
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macuser:

I guess it doesn't hurt to have a tip jar there, especially for tourists or people who don't want to deal with piles of loose change.

I don't tip. Why should I when the other day I got charged $17.50 for this breakfast main (french toast).  Oh, and please note this is a regular sized plate.  

 

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I guess you won't go back there ever again

Would yin have been happier if there was more fried bread on your plate? ;)


I think he'd have been happy if there was ANY fried bread on his plate!! That so-called French toast (and despite spending at least a week a year in France for 38 years I never saw that served...!) is certainly not what any self-respecting Englishman would regard as fried bread.

And the price was awful. Mind you, the usual eggs and bacon type of thing at our village cafe is now over $20. And that does not even include tea or coffee or toast.





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  Reply # 786117 23-Mar-2013 23:29
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GBristow: There's a solid argument for ending GST and increasing personal/business tax rates. This is going to be an increasingly common problem. Removing GST promotes all kinds of positive effects for the economy. Of course this is unpalatable to the voting public because it means less cash in the hand.


It's worth remembering the 10% GST in 1987 (?) replaced the 45% "luxury" sales tax on pretty much anything you plugged into a power socket that didn't cook food. 

That 45% sales tax was on top of the margin added price which likely also included the 120% import duty.

The best example I know of personally was an Akai stereo I bought in Toronto in early 1982 for C$550. The *exact* same stereo model was being sold in Wellington for NZ$1650....and the NZ$ was worth almost the same as the Canadian dollar.

Bear in mind salaries in NZ were lower than in Canada at the time...so paying 3 times as much for something was often closer to 4 times as much in relation to earning power.

GST is a reasonably certain way to get some tax revenue from wealthy people who contrive to avoid paying income tax. This is why Roger Douglas wanted a "consumption" tax instead of an income tax. he felt the income tax penalised workers...while the GST penalised spenders...and he was trying to encourage savings.   

Douglas also wanted a flat tax...and "announced" one....which prompted David Lange to stop for a cup of tea. 

For what it's worth....I was with Lange. Flat tax would have bankrupted the country, which I suspect was Douglas's plan.....to force everything into the private sector. That would have been a complete disaster as the private sector is too often unreliable and / or corrupt because it is less transparent...and there is a culture of paying lip service to the law while making out like bandits.    




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