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  #788209 27-Mar-2013 20:02
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Bung: Unless you're overfilling large wine glasses it's rarely a glass or 2 that ends in tears if everyone is honest.

AFAIK the problem is the drivers well over the limit. Driving with zero alcohol is a good idea because you never know when you will encounter one of these idiots.


was thinking about 40-50kg girls which is quite common for some ethnicities and maybe those even taller but they may not be used to alcohol like a special event drinker so even if the reading is low it can have an effect on their driving too ...

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  #788225 27-Mar-2013 20:27
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old3eyes:
networkn:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8479906/New-drink-drive-limits-proposed

I don't understand why they don't make it simple and say, no driving if you have consumed any alcohol?




That would be just revenue gathering.


It wouldn't be a great way to gather revenue when you take into account the costs of processing a drunk driver, especially the time in court. The revenue gathered would be much less than the costs of processing. Would be different if they made the punishment just a fine for low readings.


Am i blind or have they not said what the actual limit will be for 20-24 year olds?
If it is 0.05 then it just sounds like a case of Steven Joyce not having the balls to apply the limit to everyone, just like he passed on the opportunity back in 2010. The whole thing stinks to me - if the govt. argue that they are targeting 20-24 year olds because of high crash rates then they are discriminating against a group for the actions of a few, while at the same time suggesting that BAC of 0.07 is likely to cause a crash in a  24yo but not a 40yo.

I get that younger people are more likely to crash, its clear in the numbers, but its bridge too far to say that a BAC of 0.05-0.08 is more likely to cause a young person to crash than an older person.

 
 
 
 


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  #788230 27-Mar-2013 20:42
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Make the limit zero.
The number of people I know that have gone out and said "I thought I was ok" and have got busted is ridiculous.
Zero = Dont drink ANYTHING and drive - nice a simple.
At the very least the NZ limit is far too high.
Personally I know that I would be VERY unsafe around the legal limit.




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  #788241 27-Mar-2013 21:08
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Clearly driving is the common factor here. So lets drink all we want and just ban driving :-)





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  #788281 27-Mar-2013 22:23
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Zeon: I know when I should and shouldn't drive after drinking and I don't drive at times when I am most definitely under the limit from my own personal choice. Can not more people do the same?


Sorry but with no disrespect to you, I don't believe you. Even if you are wrong once (and unless you measure every single time you can't know absolutely for sure it's never happened), you are putting yourself and everyone else who encounters you at risk. I have known people with long histories of responsible drinking be caught out unexpectedly for all sorts of reasons. It's not soley a matter of how much you drink, but how your body processes that alcohol which can be affected by factors you may not even be aware of. 



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  #788282 27-Mar-2013 22:23
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scuwp: Clearly driving is the common factor here. So lets drink all we want and just ban driving :-)



I vote we just ban drinking. 



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  #788286 27-Mar-2013 22:27
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nickb800:
old3eyes:
networkn:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8479906/New-drink-drive-limits-proposed

I don't understand why they don't make it simple and say, no driving if you have consumed any alcohol?




That would be just revenue gathering.


It wouldn't be a great way to gather revenue when you take into account the costs of processing a drunk driver, especially the time in court. The revenue gathered would be much less than the costs of processing. Would be different if they made the punishment just a fine for low readings.


Am i blind or have they not said what the actual limit will be for 20-24 year olds?
If it is 0.05 then it just sounds like a case of Steven Joyce not having the balls to apply the limit to everyone, just like he passed on the opportunity back in 2010. The whole thing stinks to me - if the govt. argue that they are targeting 20-24 year olds because of high crash rates then they are discriminating against a group for the actions of a few, while at the same time suggesting that BAC of 0.07 is likely to cause a crash in a  24yo but not a 40yo.

I get that younger people are more likely to crash, its clear in the numbers, but its bridge too far to say that a BAC of 0.05-0.08 is more likely to cause a young person to crash than an older person.


It absolutely isn't a bridge too far. Younger drivers have less experience and their brains process thoughts in a less responsible manner on the whole than someone 40 or so. Don't believe me? Ask the average 40 year old how many times they have had pretty major frame of mind changes over big issues in their life? At younger age, every love lost for example feels like the end of the world (It did for me) and now my nephews and nieces are going through it, I look at them as my parents and guiding figures and shake my head at the stuff they don't know yet!

 
 
 
 


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  #788315 27-Mar-2013 23:24
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ok I will cut my coffee drinking before driving. No more than 6 cups within 6 minutes of diving for me.




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  #788327 28-Mar-2013 00:30
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networkn:
scuwp: Clearly driving is the common factor here. So lets drink all we want and just ban driving :-)



I vote we just ban drinking. 


I agree.

Drinking is worst than Smoking.





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  #788361 28-Mar-2013 08:11
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nakedmolerat:
networkn:
scuwp: Clearly driving is the common factor here. So lets drink all we want and just ban driving :-)



I vote we just ban drinking. 


I agree.

Drinking is worst than Smoking.


Its definitely up there with bad grammar

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  #788362 28-Mar-2013 08:13
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networkn:
nickb800:
old3eyes:
networkn:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8479906/New-drink-drive-limits-proposed

I don't understand why they don't make it simple and say, no driving if you have consumed any alcohol?




That would be just revenue gathering.


It wouldn't be a great way to gather revenue when you take into account the costs of processing a drunk driver, especially the time in court. The revenue gathered would be much less than the costs of processing. Would be different if they made the punishment just a fine for low readings.


Am i blind or have they not said what the actual limit will be for 20-24 year olds?
If it is 0.05 then it just sounds like a case of Steven Joyce not having the balls to apply the limit to everyone, just like he passed on the opportunity back in 2010. The whole thing stinks to me - if the govt. argue that they are targeting 20-24 year olds because of high crash rates then they are discriminating against a group for the actions of a few, while at the same time suggesting that BAC of 0.07 is likely to cause a crash in a  24yo but not a 40yo.

I get that younger people are more likely to crash, its clear in the numbers, but its bridge too far to say that a BAC of 0.05-0.08 is more likely to cause a young person to crash than an older person.


It absolutely isn't a bridge too far. Younger drivers have less experience and their brains process thoughts in a less responsible manner on the whole than someone 40 or so. Don't believe me? Ask the average 40 year old how many times they have had pretty major frame of mind changes over big issues in their life? At younger age, every love lost for example feels like the end of the world (It did for me) and now my nephews and nieces are going through it, I look at them as my parents and guiding figures and shake my head at the stuff they don't know yet!


They have less experience, sure. Thats why they are more likely to crash in general. But how relevant is driving experience when you're pissed? I suspect experienced drivers driving drunk are more likely to inflate their perception of their driving ability

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  #788383 28-Mar-2013 08:47
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robjg63: Make the limit zero.
The number of people I know that have gone out and said "I thought I was ok" and have got busted is ridiculous.
Zero = Dont drink ANYTHING and drive - nice a simple.
At the very least the NZ limit is far too high.
Personally I know that I would be VERY unsafe around the legal limit.


I think Linuxluver put this in way better perspective relating to NZ and the rest of the world.  Just because AU has a level set as it is doesn't mean that it's correct..
The ones they should be targeting are the ones way over our existing limit but our judges are too week to do it.. Leave the guy who had a bear or wine over lunch alone..




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  #788384 28-Mar-2013 08:49
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The NZ stats for fatal crashes don't support that. Older drivers take the lead in categories like head on crashes possibly because they fall asleep. Too fast, alcohol and lost control are all more likely with younger drivers.

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  #788393 28-Mar-2013 09:02
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networkn:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8479906/New-drink-drive-limits-proposed

I don't understand why they don't make it simple and say, no driving if you have consumed any alcohol?




Neither do I. There is no safe limit other than zero. Also it makes it abundantly clear to even the most bogan of fools how much they can drink and remain within the limit: nothing!

However the sentences need ramping up too. I would put in place mandatory 12 month no parole jail terms plus crushing of your vehicle for the first offence, rising 12 months for each subsequent offence.





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  #788408 28-Mar-2013 09:28
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Zeon: I know when I should and shouldn't drive after drinking and I don't drive at times when I am most definitely under the limit from my own personal choice. Can not more people do the same?


I have applied a very simple rule since passing my test 28 years ago. I don't drive if I have drunk alcohol. As you say, can't more people do the same?

If I had had only one beer and I crashed and killed someone, I would spend the rest of my life wondering if I would have avoided it had I not drunk that beer.





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