Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.
View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic
1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6
1482 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 37


  Reply # 788209 27-Mar-2013 20:02
Send private message

Bung: Unless you're overfilling large wine glasses it's rarely a glass or 2 that ends in tears if everyone is honest.

AFAIK the problem is the drivers well over the limit. Driving with zero alcohol is a good idea because you never know when you will encounter one of these idiots.


was thinking about 40-50kg girls which is quite common for some ethnicities and maybe those even taller but they may not be used to alcohol like a special event drinker so even if the reading is low it can have an effect on their driving too ...

1943 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 303

Trusted

  Reply # 788225 27-Mar-2013 20:27
Send private message

old3eyes:
networkn:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8479906/New-drink-drive-limits-proposed

I don't understand why they don't make it simple and say, no driving if you have consumed any alcohol?




That would be just revenue gathering.


It wouldn't be a great way to gather revenue when you take into account the costs of processing a drunk driver, especially the time in court. The revenue gathered would be much less than the costs of processing. Would be different if they made the punishment just a fine for low readings.


Am i blind or have they not said what the actual limit will be for 20-24 year olds?
If it is 0.05 then it just sounds like a case of Steven Joyce not having the balls to apply the limit to everyone, just like he passed on the opportunity back in 2010. The whole thing stinks to me - if the govt. argue that they are targeting 20-24 year olds because of high crash rates then they are discriminating against a group for the actions of a few, while at the same time suggesting that BAC of 0.07 is likely to cause a crash in a  24yo but not a 40yo.

I get that younger people are more likely to crash, its clear in the numbers, but its bridge too far to say that a BAC of 0.05-0.08 is more likely to cause a young person to crash than an older person.

2646 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 509


  Reply # 788230 27-Mar-2013 20:42
One person supports this post
Send private message

Make the limit zero.
The number of people I know that have gone out and said "I thought I was ok" and have got busted is ridiculous.
Zero = Dont drink ANYTHING and drive - nice a simple.
At the very least the NZ limit is far too high.
Personally I know that I would be VERY unsafe around the legal limit.




Nothing is impossible for the man who doesn't have to do it himself - A. H. Weiler

2992 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 1430


  Reply # 788241 27-Mar-2013 21:08
3 people support this post
Send private message

Clearly driving is the common factor here. So lets drink all we want and just ban driving :-)





Always be yourself, unless you can be Batman, then always be the Batman





17246 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 4927

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  Reply # 788281 27-Mar-2013 22:23
Send private message

Zeon: I know when I should and shouldn't drive after drinking and I don't drive at times when I am most definitely under the limit from my own personal choice. Can not more people do the same?


Sorry but with no disrespect to you, I don't believe you. Even if you are wrong once (and unless you measure every single time you can't know absolutely for sure it's never happened), you are putting yourself and everyone else who encounters you at risk. I have known people with long histories of responsible drinking be caught out unexpectedly for all sorts of reasons. It's not soley a matter of how much you drink, but how your body processes that alcohol which can be affected by factors you may not even be aware of. 



17246 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 4927

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  Reply # 788282 27-Mar-2013 22:23
Send private message

scuwp: Clearly driving is the common factor here. So lets drink all we want and just ban driving :-)



I vote we just ban drinking. 



17246 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 4927

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  Reply # 788286 27-Mar-2013 22:27
Send private message

nickb800:
old3eyes:
networkn:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8479906/New-drink-drive-limits-proposed

I don't understand why they don't make it simple and say, no driving if you have consumed any alcohol?




That would be just revenue gathering.


It wouldn't be a great way to gather revenue when you take into account the costs of processing a drunk driver, especially the time in court. The revenue gathered would be much less than the costs of processing. Would be different if they made the punishment just a fine for low readings.


Am i blind or have they not said what the actual limit will be for 20-24 year olds?
If it is 0.05 then it just sounds like a case of Steven Joyce not having the balls to apply the limit to everyone, just like he passed on the opportunity back in 2010. The whole thing stinks to me - if the govt. argue that they are targeting 20-24 year olds because of high crash rates then they are discriminating against a group for the actions of a few, while at the same time suggesting that BAC of 0.07 is likely to cause a crash in a  24yo but not a 40yo.

I get that younger people are more likely to crash, its clear in the numbers, but its bridge too far to say that a BAC of 0.05-0.08 is more likely to cause a young person to crash than an older person.


It absolutely isn't a bridge too far. Younger drivers have less experience and their brains process thoughts in a less responsible manner on the whole than someone 40 or so. Don't believe me? Ask the average 40 year old how many times they have had pretty major frame of mind changes over big issues in their life? At younger age, every love lost for example feels like the end of the world (It did for me) and now my nephews and nieces are going through it, I look at them as my parents and guiding figures and shake my head at the stuff they don't know yet!

5214 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 2240

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  Reply # 788315 27-Mar-2013 23:24
Send private message

ok I will cut my coffee drinking before driving. No more than 6 cups within 6 minutes of diving for me.




Chorus has spent $1.4 billion on making their xDSL broadband network faster. If your still stuck on ADSL or VDSL, why not spend from $150 on a master filter install to make sure you are getting the most out of your connection?
I install - Naked DSL, DSL Master Splitters, VoIP, data cabling and general computer support for home and small business.
Rural Broadband RBI installer for Ultimate Broadband and Full Flavour

 

Need help in Auckland, Waikato or BoP? Click my email button, or email me direct: [my user name] at geekzonemail dot com


4403 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 826

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  Reply # 788327 28-Mar-2013 00:30
Send private message

networkn:
scuwp: Clearly driving is the common factor here. So lets drink all we want and just ban driving :-)



I vote we just ban drinking. 


I agree.

Drinking is worst than Smoking.





1943 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 303

Trusted

  Reply # 788361 28-Mar-2013 08:11
One person supports this post
Send private message

nakedmolerat:
networkn:
scuwp: Clearly driving is the common factor here. So lets drink all we want and just ban driving :-)



I vote we just ban drinking. 


I agree.

Drinking is worst than Smoking.


Its definitely up there with bad grammar

1943 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 303

Trusted

  Reply # 788362 28-Mar-2013 08:13
Send private message

networkn:
nickb800:
old3eyes:
networkn:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8479906/New-drink-drive-limits-proposed

I don't understand why they don't make it simple and say, no driving if you have consumed any alcohol?




That would be just revenue gathering.


It wouldn't be a great way to gather revenue when you take into account the costs of processing a drunk driver, especially the time in court. The revenue gathered would be much less than the costs of processing. Would be different if they made the punishment just a fine for low readings.


Am i blind or have they not said what the actual limit will be for 20-24 year olds?
If it is 0.05 then it just sounds like a case of Steven Joyce not having the balls to apply the limit to everyone, just like he passed on the opportunity back in 2010. The whole thing stinks to me - if the govt. argue that they are targeting 20-24 year olds because of high crash rates then they are discriminating against a group for the actions of a few, while at the same time suggesting that BAC of 0.07 is likely to cause a crash in a  24yo but not a 40yo.

I get that younger people are more likely to crash, its clear in the numbers, but its bridge too far to say that a BAC of 0.05-0.08 is more likely to cause a young person to crash than an older person.


It absolutely isn't a bridge too far. Younger drivers have less experience and their brains process thoughts in a less responsible manner on the whole than someone 40 or so. Don't believe me? Ask the average 40 year old how many times they have had pretty major frame of mind changes over big issues in their life? At younger age, every love lost for example feels like the end of the world (It did for me) and now my nephews and nieces are going through it, I look at them as my parents and guiding figures and shake my head at the stuff they don't know yet!


They have less experience, sure. Thats why they are more likely to crash in general. But how relevant is driving experience when you're pissed? I suspect experienced drivers driving drunk are more likely to inflate their perception of their driving ability

7828 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 782

Subscriber

  Reply # 788383 28-Mar-2013 08:47
Send private message

robjg63: Make the limit zero.
The number of people I know that have gone out and said "I thought I was ok" and have got busted is ridiculous.
Zero = Dont drink ANYTHING and drive - nice a simple.
At the very least the NZ limit is far too high.
Personally I know that I would be VERY unsafe around the legal limit.


I think Linuxluver put this in way better perspective relating to NZ and the rest of the world.  Just because AU has a level set as it is doesn't mean that it's correct..
The ones they should be targeting are the ones way over our existing limit but our judges are too week to do it.. Leave the guy who had a bear or wine over lunch alone..




Regards,

Old3eyes


2451 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 287


  Reply # 788384 28-Mar-2013 08:49
Send private message

The NZ stats for fatal crashes don't support that. Older drivers take the lead in categories like head on crashes possibly because they fall asleep. Too fast, alcohol and lost control are all more likely with younger drivers.

11458 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 3679

Trusted
Subscriber

  Reply # 788393 28-Mar-2013 09:02
Send private message

networkn:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8479906/New-drink-drive-limits-proposed

I don't understand why they don't make it simple and say, no driving if you have consumed any alcohol?




Neither do I. There is no safe limit other than zero. Also it makes it abundantly clear to even the most bogan of fools how much they can drink and remain within the limit: nothing!

However the sentences need ramping up too. I would put in place mandatory 12 month no parole jail terms plus crushing of your vehicle for the first offence, rising 12 months for each subsequent offence.





11458 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 3679

Trusted
Subscriber

  Reply # 788408 28-Mar-2013 09:28
Send private message

Zeon: I know when I should and shouldn't drive after drinking and I don't drive at times when I am most definitely under the limit from my own personal choice. Can not more people do the same?


I have applied a very simple rule since passing my test 28 years ago. I don't drive if I have drunk alcohol. As you say, can't more people do the same?

If I had had only one beer and I crashed and killed someone, I would spend the rest of my life wondering if I would have avoided it had I not drunk that beer.





1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6
View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic

Twitter »

Follow us to receive Twitter updates when new discussions are posted in our forums:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when news items and blogs are posted in our frontpage:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when tech item prices are listed in our price comparison site:





News »

Microsoft Dynamics 365 Business Central launches
Posted 10-Jul-2018 10:40


Spark completes first milestone in voice platform upgrade
Posted 10-Jul-2018 09:36


Microsoft ices heated developers
Posted 6-Jul-2018 20:16


PB Technologies charged for its extended warranties and warned for bait advertising
Posted 3-Jul-2018 15:45


Almost 20,000 people claim credits from Spark
Posted 29-Jun-2018 10:40


Cove sells NZ's first insurance policy via chatbot
Posted 25-Jun-2018 10:04


N4L helping TAKA Trust bridge the digital divide for Lower Hutt students
Posted 18-Jun-2018 13:08


Winners Announced for 2018 CIO Awards
Posted 18-Jun-2018 13:03


Logitech Rally sets new standard for USB-connected video conference cameras
Posted 18-Jun-2018 09:27


Russell Stanners steps down as Vodafone NZ CEO
Posted 12-Jun-2018 09:13


Intergen recognised as 2018 Microsoft Country Partner of the Year for New Zealand
Posted 12-Jun-2018 08:00


Finalists Announced For Microsoft NZ Partner Awards
Posted 6-Jun-2018 15:12


Vocus Group and Vodafone announce joint venture to accelerate fibre innovation
Posted 5-Jun-2018 10:52


Kogan.com to launch Kogan Mobile in New Zealand
Posted 4-Jun-2018 14:34


Enable doubles fibre broadband speeds for its most popular wholesale service in Christchurch
Posted 2-Jun-2018 20:07



Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.

Alternatively, you can receive a daily email with Geekzone updates.