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  #792421 3-Apr-2013 14:50
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KiwiNZ:
TheMantis:
BlueShift:
TheMantis: There's no need to change them at all. The Geographic Board are guilty of being some of the biggest oxygen thieves among our bloated bureaucracy. As far as I'm concerned it will always be "Wanganui" and "Mt Egmont" too. Dual place names don't work because the PC media only use the Maori version, the same with schools. In time the long standing English names of many geographic locations will be forgotten.

Wanganui being a long standing English name? And of course the even longer standing Maori names like Taranaki have no place in the scheme?


Wanganui is the name of a settlement, a settlement where the majority of occupants agreed with the original spelling. Even if the original spelling was incorrect in the eyes of some it doesn't matter.

I don't mind my province being called Taranaki at all. I never said I don't like Maori names for geographic locations, only my dislike for dual names as the media and educators tend to quickly drop any reference to the English version. Maori are always wanting to retain their identity and history (which is understandable) should the majority of us have to loose ours just to accomplish this completely token exercise.


With regards to Mt Taranaki (Egmont) I can not see how John Perceval, 2nd Earl of Egmont who never visited the Mount or NZ has any relevance to New Zealands heritage. 


He has no less an association than a make believe warrior who caught the North Island while out fishing.

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  #792422 3-Apr-2013 14:50
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sleemanj:
Finch:the island on the bottom is the south one.


The island on the bottom is Stewart Island/Rakiura

Which actually WAS called the South Island for a while, what is now the South Island (Te Wai Pounamu) was called Middle Island, or even briefly, New Munster.  So we could always go back to that.  I live in Christchurch, New Munster.



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  #792436 3-Apr-2013 15:02
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Most equitable to all parties will be the English translation of the Maori.

So the majority of us will live in Maui's Fish and holiday in Wet Greenstone.

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  #792451 3-Apr-2013 15:18
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What a massive load of bollocks.
North and south they will remain just like most use egmont, wanganui, cook etc.

However the Auckland and not Auckland suggestion is not bad

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  #792452 3-Apr-2013 15:19
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I'm happy with North Island, South island and Stewart Island, these are the names I have known the places as for nearly 40 years.
Happy to put it to a vote though...

Edit: Typo correction.




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  #792453 3-Apr-2013 15:19
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TheMantis:
KiwiNZ:
TheMantis:
BlueShift:
TheMantis: There's no need to change them at all. The Geographic Board are guilty of being some of the biggest oxygen thieves among our bloated bureaucracy. As far as I'm concerned it will always be "Wanganui" and "Mt Egmont" too. Dual place names don't work because the PC media only use the Maori version, the same with schools. In time the long standing English names of many geographic locations will be forgotten.

Wanganui being a long standing English name? And of course the even longer standing Maori names like Taranaki have no place in the scheme?


Wanganui is the name of a settlement, a settlement where the majority of occupants agreed with the original spelling. Even if the original spelling was incorrect in the eyes of some it doesn't matter.

I don't mind my province being called Taranaki at all. I never said I don't like Maori names for geographic locations, only my dislike for dual names as the media and educators tend to quickly drop any reference to the English version. Maori are always wanting to retain their identity and history (which is understandable) should the majority of us have to loose ours just to accomplish this completely token exercise.


With regards to Mt Taranaki (Egmont) I can not see how John Perceval, 2nd Earl of Egmont who never visited the Mount or NZ has any relevance to New Zealands heritage. 


He has no less an association than a make believe warrior who caught the North Island while out fishing.


At least the legend of Maui have relevance to New Zealand.




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  #792458 3-Apr-2013 15:27
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yeah, I'm also quite happy with just North and South Islands..
Also agree on the confusion with overseas companies sending stuff over to a long Maori name, but I guess they would have to live with it.




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  #792463 3-Apr-2013 15:32
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As long as the overseas company has New Zealand as the bottom address, surely then 'local' companies take over the distribution. Also, how often does the island get included in the delivery address? Can't think of the last time I was asked for this.

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  #792492 3-Apr-2013 16:11
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GregV: As long as the overseas company has New Zealand as the bottom address, surely then 'local' companies take over the distribution. Also, how often does the island get included in the delivery address? Can't think of the last time I was asked for this.


All ecommerce systems which I have developed in the last decade ask you for which of the major islands you are on  North, South, Stewart, Chatham and Great Barrier, useful for freight calculations.




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  #792501 3-Apr-2013 16:29
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But this can surely be linked to the name of my city/town, or even better postcode? I always get asked for these, so entering which side of the Cook or Foveaux Straits I live on is a bit redundant?

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  #792502 3-Apr-2013 16:30
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sleemanj:
GregV: As long as the overseas company has New Zealand as the bottom address, surely then 'local' companies take over the distribution. Also, how often does the island get included in the delivery address? Can't think of the last time I was asked for this.


All ecommerce systems which I have developed in the last decade ask you for which of the major islands you are on  North, South, Stewart, Chatham and Great Barrier, useful for freight calculations.


would not it be better to divide by regions such as Northland, BoP and etc.. to break down the cost... sure it's cheaper to deliver from wellington to Palmerston North, then from Wellington to Russell, but all of these are on North Island :)

and all international shops ask you for region/state or province and not an island...




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  #792505 3-Apr-2013 16:38
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GregV: But this can surely be linked to the name of my city/town, or even better postcode? I always get asked for these, so entering which side of the Cook or Foveaux Straits I live on is a bit redundant?


Or Post codes

I have never received a parcel or letter from off shore addressed 

Joe Bloggs
23 Anywhere Street
Somewhere
North Island
New Zealand

I do get a lot addressed

Joe Bloggs
23 Anywhere Street
Somewhere
New Zealand 6066




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  #792507 3-Apr-2013 16:49
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/offtopic~~~~~~~/

kobiak: 
would not it be better to divide by regions such as Northland, BoP and etc.. to break down the cost... sure it's cheaper to deliver from wellington to Palmerston North, then from Wellington to Russell, but all of these are on North Island :)



It does that too, internally I actually have a database structure like...
  
  Planet: Earth
  Continent: Europ, Oceania...
  Country: New Zealand, Australia...
  Region/Island/State: North Island, Jervois Bay Territory...
  Province/District: Canterbury....  (I don't define provinces for other countries)

some of my clients like to differentiate freight at a high level, some prefer to micro-manage it down to provinces (and even cities, complete with mis-spellings).  Planet and Continent are not typically actually displayed anywhere ;-)

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  #792559 3-Apr-2013 17:40
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TheUngeek: What a massive load of bollocks.
North and south they will remain just like most use egmont, wanganui, cook etc.

However the Auckland and not Auckland suggestion is not bad

"Most" use egmont, cook etc. Really? I grew up with those too, but I have no problem with Aoraki/Mount Cook (isn't that the offical name?) or Mt Taranaki or Mt Egmont (aren't they both correct?). I guess over time, the old timer/stick in the mud types will have less of an influence.

sleemanj: I live in Christchurch, New Munster.

You rang?

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  #792702 3-Apr-2013 21:48
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Last time stuff reported on the names of the Islands was in April 2009

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2351676/Island-names-not-official

I look forward to the next article in 2017

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