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Regs:qwerty7: Cannabis is illegal yet we have synthetic legal highs with who knows what in them, which are causing a whole range of problems and can be purchased anywhere. There is even a legal high called 'crack' which is a white powder and it comes with a glass pipe which you pour the powder in and smoke it like p. How does it make sense that all this cr*p is legal, yet cannabis is illegal?
are you trying to make an argument for cannabis being legal? there are a few studies now that give credibility to the supposition that regular cannabis use leads to much higher rates of depression, anxiety and even psychotic disorders.
knowing quite a few people that suffer from these conditions and seeing the way it can impact lives and families, i wouldn't be voting it legal any time soon....
mental health issues don't just affect the person who has them, they can mess up entire families both mentally and financially. if cannabis lead to the developing of these conditions, then you cannot say that a person taking it is a 'victim-less' crime.
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qwerty7: Cannabis is illegal yet we have synthetic legal highs with who knows what in them, which are causing a whole range of problems and can be purchased anywhere. There is even a legal high called 'crack' which is a white powder and it comes with a glass pipe which you pour the powder in and smoke it like p. How does it make sense that all this cr*p is legal, yet cannabis is illegal?
In New Zealand, drinking in public is not a crime and instead, local governments must specify that alcohol is banned in an area before it is considered a crime to drink in that location. Being drunk in public is not specifically an offense unless the person who is intoxicated is a public nuisance, in which case they may be dealt with for 'disturbing the peace'. This will usually result in being taken home, or otherwise taken to a police cell until sober.
Klipspringer:
Now imagine adding legal cannabis to the above mix, just asking for trouble. Our youth cannot even control their drinking. Do we want to give then a license to be publicly stoned as well?
Jeeves: You must live in a sheltered world my friend. Cannabis is so unbelivably easy to acquire and prevelant in youth that I bet you will find a very large portion of drunk teens are also stoned already. Changing the law will change that very little.
Jeeves: The harm a criminal conviction given to someone who is otherwise a valuable and wanted contributor to society, far outweighs the harm caused by the weed itself to that individual and the economy. For this case, let it be clear I am referring to majority of users who dabble once in a while and often stop altogether as they age. For those who are habitual users, it would be much better to spend the money that would be spent on a jail cell, on education and harm reduction (Eg: vaporisers rather than joints/spots).
Johnk:
I'm not at all saying cannabis is fine and should be made legal at all. It definitely is a gateway drug,
Asmodeus:
Fact is it doesn't kill or even really hurt people in itself (whereas tobacco and alcohol do very much). The harm from cannabis comes because it is illegal and therefore unregulated and supplied by criminals.
The British Lung Foundation has commissioned a survey into tobacoo and cannabis usage amongst 1,045 people in Britain, and has found that smoking cannabis presents a much greater risk of lung cancer than does tobacco – 20 times more, in fact
Klipspringer:Asmodeus:
Fact is it doesn't kill or even really hurt people in itself (whereas tobacco and alcohol do very much). The harm from cannabis comes because it is illegal and therefore unregulated and supplied by criminals.
Maybe you should tell these guys because it seems you know something they dont:The British Lung Foundation has commissioned a survey into tobacoo and cannabis usage amongst 1,045 people in Britain, and has found that smoking cannabis presents a much greater risk of lung cancer than does tobacco – 20 times more, in fact
Klipspringer:Jeeves: You must live in a sheltered world my friend. Cannabis is so unbelivably easy to acquire and prevelant in youth that I bet you will find a very large portion of drunk teens are also stoned already. Changing the law will change that very little.
So because the system is currently failing the youth you are suggesting that it be legalised? Sorry I don’t buy into that way of thinking.
A better way would be to criminalize public intoxication. Introduce the legislation slowly. The current law against cannabis is there for a reason, it stops people acquiring weed easily. It stops many (not all) from smoking it in public, it stops many (again not all) being stoned in public, stoned on sidewalks. Legalising it will make all of these things the norm. In the same way, criminalizing public intoxication will have a positive effect on our society. It will stop many from being intoxicated in public.
I have been to many countries that practice these laws. Nowhere do you see public drinking and public disorder like you do here in NZ. People don’t do it because the law is not permitting them to do it. And there are serious consequences (yes criminal convictions) for those that do.
The harm of a criminal conviction? Are you serious?
A criminal conviction is there for a reason.
There are many other things that are illegal in NZ and will land you a criminal conviction. Drink driving for example, and personally anybody that does so deserves a criminal conviction for stupidity.
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