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  #824013 23-May-2013 10:51
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noc: True, the only difference is - That's not in the media. People think they know what's really happening on the planet when they watch the news... lol, yea right.


Read True Enough: Learning to Live in a Post-Fact Society and it will just confirm your fears:

"Why has punditry lately overtaken news? Why do lies seem to linger so long in the cultural subconscious even after they’ve been thoroughly discredited? And why, when more people than ever before are documenting the truth with laptops and digital cameras, does fact-free spin and propaganda seem to work so well? True Enough explores leading controversies of national politics, foreign affairs, science, and business, explaining how Americans have begun to organize themselves into echo chambers that harbor diametrically different facts—not merely opinions—from those of the larger culture."





 

 

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  #824015 23-May-2013 10:55
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This has little to do with religion, except in the minds of the two murderers.




 

 
 
 
 


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  #824023 23-May-2013 11:15
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Killing in the name of religion - the ultimate oxymoron - with heavy emphasis on the moron

Mind you its been happening forever....




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  #824027 23-May-2013 11:21
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Fecked up religious people strike again :-(


I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that I am pretty sure that more people have probably been killed in the name of Athesm than religion.

Besides the OP is putting all religious people into the same basket. I think the op is a bit of a basket case ...

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  #824033 23-May-2013 11:26
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Klipspringer:
Fecked up religious people strike again :-(


I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that I am pretty sure that more people have probably been killed in the name of Athesm than religion.


I would like to see references to people killing in name of atheism compared to people killing in name of religion.

Klipspringer: Besides the OP is putting all religious people into the same basket.


Sure. The problem is when extremism starts going around.

Klipspringer: I think the op is a bit of a basket case ...


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  #824034 23-May-2013 11:28
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robjg63: 

Mind you its been happening forever....


Don't forget that for most of history religion and politics/national leadership were the same thing. It's only in recent times that state and religion have been separated -- and even then pretty much only in the western world. 

So when you talk about past killings in the name of religion, you could just as correctly say they're in the name of politics. 

Which sounds a lot like what we're hearing today.




 

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  #824045 23-May-2013 11:44
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From this account and after watching the video linked before I'd say it's less about religion and "terror attack" than about two guys high on meth going on a rampage.




 

 

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Klipspringer:
Fecked up religious people strike again :-(


I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that I am pretty sure that more people have probably been killed in the name of Athesm than religion.




I highly doubt too many people have gone round killing people in the name of atheism.  People, who are atheist, kill people, but I don't think their motive is being an atheist.

I can't remember the last time I read an article of someone shouting "For atheism!!!" before chopping someone up or shooting someone down.

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Klipspringer:
Fecked up religious people strike again :-(


I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that I am pretty sure that more people have probably been killed in the name of Athesm than religion.

Besides the OP is putting all religious people into the same basket. I think the op is a bit of a basket case ...


Ummmm ... so I'M a basket case by feeling a little angry that people go around hacking other people to death while claiming their cloud fairy friend is all great and powerful ?

Let me think do I still have imaginary friends ? no!  I grew up and have the ability to question the things around me and make my own decisions, I'm not so pathetically weak willed that I need to suck up to invisible entities and their "chosen" representatives.

In my opinion religion is a hideous construct that promotes intolerance, and none of the religions out there do anything other than serve their own at the expense of all others, most are big pyramid schemes that suck in the feeble minded and desperate and twist them.

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nicnzl:
Klipspringer:
Fecked up religious people strike again :-(


I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that I am pretty sure that more people have probably been killed in the name of Athesm than religion.




I highly doubt too many people have gone round killing people in the name of atheism.  People, who are atheist, kill people, but I don't think their motive is being an atheist.

I can't remember the last time I read an article of someone shouting "For atheism!!!" before chopping someone up or shooting someone down.


+1 to this





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freitasm:
noc: True, the only difference is - That's not in the media. People think they know what's really happening on the planet when they watch the news... lol, yea right.


Read True Enough: Learning to Live in a Post-Fact Society and it will just confirm your fears:

"Why has punditry lately overtaken news? Why do lies seem to linger so long in the cultural subconscious even after they’ve been thoroughly discredited? And why, when more people than ever before are documenting the truth with laptops and digital cameras, does fact-free spin and propaganda seem to work so well? True Enough explores leading controversies of national politics, foreign affairs, science, and business, explaining how Americans have begun to organize themselves into echo chambers that harbor diametrically different facts—not merely opinions—from those of the larger culture."



Interesting... Thanks, I'll give that a bit of a read I think.

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noc:
freitasm:
noc: True, the only difference is - That's not in the media. People think they know what's really happening on the planet when they watch the news... lol, yea right.


Read True Enough: Learning to Live in a Post-Fact Society and it will just confirm your fears:

"Why has punditry lately overtaken news? Why do lies seem to linger so long in the cultural subconscious even after they’ve been thoroughly discredited? And why, when more people than ever before are documenting the truth with laptops and digital cameras, does fact-free spin and propaganda seem to work so well? True Enough explores leading controversies of national politics, foreign affairs, science, and business, explaining how Americans have begun to organize themselves into echo chambers that harbor diametrically different facts—not merely opinions—from those of the larger culture."



Interesting... Thanks, I'll give that a bit of a read I think.


The book shows examples of studies where two groups with complete opposite views were shown the same neutral TV commentary. Both groups said the TV commentary was leaning towards the other side. It goes on to show how people tend to read news/watch channels that present things in a way they believe while showing that one fact, while true, can be used to construe a false story by the media, simply by ignoring everything else around it.





 

 

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  #824054 23-May-2013 12:00
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Mark:

Ummmm ... so I'M a basket case by feeling a little angry that people go around hacking other people to death while claiming their cloud fairy friend is all great and powerful ?

Let me think do I still have imaginary friends ? no!  I grew up and have the ability to question the things around me and make my own decisions, I'm not so pathetically weak willed that I need to suck up to invisible entities and their "chosen" representatives.

In my opinion religion is a hideous construct that promotes intolerance, and none of the religions out there do anything other than serve their own at the expense of all others, most are big pyramid schemes that suck in the feeble minded and desperate and twist them.


Thats your opinion. But at the end of the day atheism is based on your belief that there is no God. In fact it can probably be classed as a faith too. Which is what? A religion upon itself.

Personally I don't have enough faith to be an atheist. :-p



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Klipspringer: 
Thats your opinion. But at the end of the day atheism is based on your belief that there is no God. In fact it can probably be classed as a faith too. Which is what? A religion upon itself.

Personally I don't have enough faith to be an atheist. :-p




Why do you say I'm an atheist ?

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Mark:
Klipspringer: 
Thats your opinion. But at the end of the day atheism is based on your belief that there is no God. In fact it can probably be classed as a faith too. Which is what? A religion upon itself.

Personally I don't have enough faith to be an atheist. :-p




Why do you say I'm an atheist ?


Judging from your post.
Spoken like a true atheist



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