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TheUngeek
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  #827243 28-May-2013 18:31
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joker97: I just have a question -

can science 100% conclusively prove that homo sapiens evolved from primordial soup?

can science 100% conclusively prove that there is no god?

can any scientist explain the existence of matter? in fact the current most accurate explanation of matter is the string theory and can only work if there is at least 10 dimensions (we are only able to prove/explain three or four) ...

these are some questions that in my opinion, show that we may not know everything. we know we evolved somewhere. we know humans can't walk on water and cannot fly. we know that we all die one way or another. that's as much as we know we know ... heck we don't even know how the pyramids or Stonehenge were built (do we?)


Exactly. So what's logical? We don't know therefor god.
Or we don't know lets research the science until we do!

There is not one single shred of logical or scientific data to suggest there is a god.


Just imagine if throughout history every one said "oh its god" and never bothered with the science

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  #827245 28-May-2013 18:50
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Faith is so fundamental to religion that scientifically proving the existence of god/gods/God will kill religion just as emphatically as scientifically disproving the existence.

Now try and reconcile that with your notions of what God actually is.




 

 
 
 
 


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  #827255 28-May-2013 19:31
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I don't know why so many "non religious" people are so "religious" in their efforts to disprove the beliefs of others.

I am quite happy for others to have their beliefs, if it makes peoples lives better going to church each week and having faith in their god then all is good and they are free to do so.

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  #827272 28-May-2013 19:50
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Its a discussion. Its not as if we go around knocking on doors telling people god doesn't exist.




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  #827321 28-May-2013 20:51
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TinyTim: Faith is so fundamental to religion that scientifically proving the existence of god/gods/God will kill religion just as emphatically as scientifically disproving the existence.

Now try and reconcile that with your notions of what God actually is.


You cannot rationally argue-out that which was not rationally argued-in.

It's an emotional debate and as long as people's emotions, personality and world-view are tied up in it, nobody is going to knock anybody off the fence with a sound-byte.

Having said that, it's a debate worth having, IMO. I've changed many of my dearly-held spiritual beliefs over the years and I owe a lot to on-line discussion for that.




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Mark

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  #827329 28-May-2013 20:58
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TheUngeek: Its a discussion. Its not as if we go around knocking on doors telling people god doesn't exist.



People would just pretend they weren't home if we did.

;-)

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  #827568 29-May-2013 10:29
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Edwood: 
Certainly, to believe that science has reached the pinnacle of discovery is foolishness.


I don't think anybody here thinks that science has reached the pinnacle of discovery.

Of course science doesn't know everything, otherwise it would stop.

I don't call myself an atheist because anything convinced me - it's just that I haven't been convinced otherwise.
This is not a position of faith, as you mentioned earlier.




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  #827573 29-May-2013 10:35
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BurningBeard:
I don't call myself an atheist because anything convinced me - it's just that I haven't been convinced otherwise.



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  #827575 29-May-2013 10:40
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Here is the video of the maggot, justifying his actions.

"We are forced by the Koran, in Sura At-Tawba, through many ayah throughout the Koran, that we must fight them as they fight us."

It's noticeably absent from all the leading media out there that are reporting on it.

I reject the term "Islamaphobia." A phobia is irrational. Islam IS scary.




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  #827576 29-May-2013 10:42
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Klipspringer:
BurningBeard:
I don't call myself an atheist because anything convinced me - it's just that I haven't been convinced otherwise.




Funny; that's not what I believe and I'm pretty sure most atheists I know don't believe either.
That quote is also woefully ignorant of the mechanisms involved in theory of evolution by natural selection.




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  #827606 29-May-2013 11:23
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BurningBeard: Here is the video of the maggot, justifying his actions.

"We are forced by the Koran, in Sura At-Tawba, through many ayah throughout the Koran, that we must fight them as they fight us."

It's noticeably absent from all the leading media out there that are reporting on it.

I reject the term "Islamaphobia." A phobia is irrational. Islam IS scary.


Islam is not scary, but some of it's participants are.

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  #827614 29-May-2013 11:30
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KiwiNZ: 
Islam is not scary, but some of it's participants are.


I should have been more specific. The koran is scary.

"And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them go on their way. Indeed, Allah is forgiving and merciful."




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  #827652 29-May-2013 11:45
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BurningBeard:
KiwiNZ: 
Islam is not scary, but some of it's participants are.


I should have been more specific. The koran is scary.

"And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them go on their way. Indeed, Allah is forgiving and merciful."


So are parts of the Magna Carta

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  #827664 29-May-2013 11:57
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KiwiNZ: 

So are parts of the Magna Carta


I've so got to see some examples of that!  Could you post them up please ?

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  #828071 29-May-2013 23:50
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Normally I love a good theological debate but I've only just stumbled onto this one and it's late so all I'm going to say on the matter is this.

Believe what you like but for humanity's sake stop killing people over it.

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