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  #842031 23-Jun-2013 19:01

I expected them to have a photo of your car at least. I can't see how you could argue that it was on the wrong street if it was still on a public road without a rego.

Also, normally the fine gets waived if you pay it straight away and was within a month of being expired.

 
 
 

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  #842055 23-Jun-2013 20:24
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StarBlazer:
geek4me: So you did the right thing.

Sorry - it's not "the right thing". 

Well done for breaking the law and getting away with it on a technicality!  Personally, I don't think it's anything to be proud of.


forgetting to relicence the vehicle is not a crime, it's a mistake (of time).
- no vehicle safety is compromised
- you don't pay any less if you pay 10 days early or 55 days late, coz every day is accounted for regardless when you pay, the government is not going to earn a few dollars less if you paid late

if you return your library book late you get a fine. it's not a crime.

he forgot to relicence his vehicle. he gets a fine, it's not like he's breaking into his neighbour's house or driving without a warrant.

just my opinion

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  #842073 23-Jun-2013 21:05
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joker97:
StarBlazer:
geek4me: So you did the right thing.

Sorry - it's not "the right thing". 

Well done for breaking the law and getting away with it on a technicality!  Personally, I don't think it's anything to be proud of.


forgetting to relicence the vehicle is not a crime, it's a mistake (of time).
- no vehicle safety is compromised
- you don't pay any less if you pay 10 days early or 55 days late, coz every day is accounted for regardless when you pay, the government is not going to earn a few dollars less if you paid late

if you return your library book late you get a fine. it's not a crime.

he forgot to relicence his vehicle. he gets a fine, it's not like he's breaking into his neighbour's house or driving without a warrant.

just my opinion


wow you are smart. Maybe you could suggest to the op that he "forget" to pay the fine. You are suggesting that its not a crime to forget!!



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  #842075 23-Jun-2013 21:07
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It isn't a crime anyway. It's a misdemeanor.

And no... it's not a crime to forget, generally speaking, which is a good thing, isn't it?




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  #842159 24-Jun-2013 08:06
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joker97:
StarBlazer:
geek4me: So you did the right thing.

Sorry - it's not "the right thing". 

Well done for breaking the law and getting away with it on a technicality!  Personally, I don't think it's anything to be proud of.


forgetting to relicence the vehicle is not a crime, it's a mistake (of time).
- no vehicle safety is compromised
- you don't pay any less if you pay 10 days early or 55 days late, coz every day is accounted for regardless when you pay, the government is not going to earn a few dollars less if you paid late

if you return your library book late you get a fine. it's not a crime.

he forgot to relicence his vehicle. he gets a fine, it's not like he's breaking into his neighbour's house or driving without a warrant.

just my opinion

Nowhere did I say it was a crime or a criminal act.  It is however breaking the law which if I understand correctly is covered by the Land Transport (Motor Vehicle and Licencing) Act.

You are however missing the point.  He broke the law, he got caught - should have just paid up and not conspired how to "get off with it".




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  #842160 24-Jun-2013 08:23
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StarBlazer:
joker97:
StarBlazer:
geek4me: So you did the right thing.

Sorry - it's not "the right thing". 

Well done for breaking the law and getting away with it on a technicality!  Personally, I don't think it's anything to be proud of.


forgetting to relicence the vehicle is not a crime, it's a mistake (of time).
- no vehicle safety is compromised
- you don't pay any less if you pay 10 days early or 55 days late, coz every day is accounted for regardless when you pay, the government is not going to earn a few dollars less if you paid late

if you return your library book late you get a fine. it's not a crime.

he forgot to relicence his vehicle. he gets a fine, it's not like he's breaking into his neighbour's house or driving without a warrant.

just my opinion

Nowhere did I say it was a crime or a criminal act.  It is however breaking the law which if I understand correctly is covered by the Land Transport (Motor Vehicle and Licencing) Act.

You are however missing the point.  He broke the law, he got caught - should have just paid up and not conspired how to "get off with it".


I did not conspire to "get off with it" as you so eloquently put it. I merely wrote to the council asking them to furnish me with reasonable evidence of the alleged offence. Had they supplied said evidence I would gladly have paid the ticket. There was no trickery involved and the council waived the ticket of their own volition - I did not ask them to waive it - I just asked for evidence.

On another note, to all those on here who have questioned my morality, I would be interested to know how many of them have ever downloaded a file subject to copyright. People in glasshouses and all that.

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  #842168 24-Jun-2013 08:41
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Wheelbarrow01: If I can prove that the car was parked in a different location at the time of the ticket, can I get off, or will they just reissue the ticket with the correct street name?

I have always thought it is a joke that they sting you for no rego, but then when you do rereg it they back date the reg to cover the period you received the ticket.

Sounds like conspiring to me - particularly as you think it's a joke that they then back-date it.

If people are in glass houses throwing stones (metaphorically speaking) then perhaps they are keeping quiet about it or not throwing them far and wide so as to draw attention to themselves.

I'm just not happy with people applauding you or gloating like it's a good thing - because it's not.




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  #842171 24-Jun-2013 08:50
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Wheelbarrow01: If I can prove that the car was parked in a different location at the time of the ticket, can I get off, or will they just reissue the ticket with the correct street name?

I have always thought it is a joke that they sting you for no rego, but then when you do rereg it they back date the reg to cover the period you received the ticket.

Sounds like conspiring to me - particularly as you think it's a joke that they then back-date it.

If people are in glass houses throwing stones (metaphorically speaking) then perhaps they are keeping quiet about it or not throwing them far and wide so as to draw attention to themselves.

I'm just not happy with people applauding you or gloating like it's a good thing - because it's not.


Conspire (verb): To make secret plans jointly to commit an unlawful or harmful act.

It is neither unlawful nor harmful to write a letter to the council as far as I am aware, and my plan to do so was hardly a secret. I am pretty sure the GCSB knew about it, and I expect a raid on my mansion any minute now.

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  #842176 24-Jun-2013 09:04
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SaltyNZ: It isn't a crime anyway. It's a misdemeanor.

And no... it's not a crime to forget, generally speaking, which is a good thing, isn't it?


Regardless of if its a crime or not. It is a punishable offence as the OP discovered. 
Like speeding, not wearing your seat belt, not paying for parking - All of which one could also argue are due to forgetting. 

Wheelbarrow01: 

I did not conspire to "get off with it" as you so eloquently put it. I merely wrote to the council asking them to furnish me with reasonable evidence of the alleged offence. Had they supplied said evidence I would gladly have paid the ticket. There was no trickery involved and the council waived the ticket of their own volition - I did not ask them to waive it - I just asked for evidence. 

On another note, to all those on here who have questioned my morality, I would be interested to know how many of them have ever downloaded a file subject to copyright. People in glasshouses and all that.


Yea right. I think why your morality is being questioned is due to the fact that you have admitted guilt. Fair enough for you to question the fine because your car was fully licensed, or not parked in a council space, not being driven on the road. 

You got busted for driving an unlicensed car. Pay your fine and move on with it. 

I think its time that the mods closed this thread. The topic does not actually accurately describe what you are trying to achieve anyway.

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  #842177 24-Jun-2013 09:05
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Wheelbarrow01:
StarBlazer:
Wheelbarrow01: If I can prove that the car was parked in a different location at the time of the ticket, can I get off, or will they just reissue the ticket with the correct street name?

I have always thought it is a joke that they sting you for no rego, but then when you do rereg it they back date the reg to cover the period you received the ticket.

Sounds like conspiring to me - particularly as you think it's a joke that they then back-date it.

If people are in glass houses throwing stones (metaphorically speaking) then perhaps they are keeping quiet about it or not throwing them far and wide so as to draw attention to themselves.

I'm just not happy with people applauding you or gloating like it's a good thing - because it's not.


Conspire (verb): To make secret plans jointly to commit an unlawful or harmful act.

It is neither unlawful nor harmful to write a letter to the council as far as I am aware, and my plan to do so was hardly a secret. I am pretty sure the GCSB knew about it, and I expect a raid on my mansion any minute now.


Wow, really?  You still don't see it?

Even though you had a vehicle on the road that was unlicensed and got caught, you wrote to the council advising that you intended to prove that you were not on Conway Street at the time the notice was issued - knowing full well that your implication and likely inference would be that you were not on "any" road.

"To make secret plans" - did you tell the council? No - secret to them then.
"commit an unlawful ... act" - I think so.




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  #845383 26-Jun-2013 08:32
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According to the Herald this morning, Auckland council collected $37.6M in fines and $35.2M in parking fees last year, for a total of $72.8M. The article goes on to say that that leaves them with a surplus of $26.8M.

This means that $46 million in parking fees and fines is being wasted. $46 million. How much of that ends up lining the pockets of the private contractors, I wonder?




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  #845386 26-Jun-2013 08:52
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SaltyNZ: According to the Herald this morning, Auckland council collected $37.6M in fines and $35.2M in parking fees last year, for a total of $72.8M. The article goes on to say that that leaves them with a surplus of $26.8M.

This means that $46 million in parking fees and fines is being wasted. $46 million. How much of that ends up lining the pockets of the private contractors, I wonder?


Who cares? Its easy to stop supporting their income. Stop getting fines.

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  #845391 26-Jun-2013 08:56
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SaltyNZ: According to the Herald this morning, Auckland council collected $37.6M in fines and $35.2M in parking fees last year, for a total of $72.8M. The article goes on to say that that leaves them with a surplus of $26.8M.

This means that $46 million in parking fees and fines is being wasted. $46 million. How much of that ends up lining the pockets of the private contractors, I wonder?


Who cares? Its easy to stop supporting their income. Stop getting fines.


Sure, except that if they got no fines then their parking operation would become a $10.8M cost.




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  #845394 26-Jun-2013 08:59
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SaltyNZ: According to the Herald this morning, Auckland council collected $37.6M in fines and $35.2M in parking fees last year, for a total of $72.8M. The article goes on to say that that leaves them with a surplus of $26.8M.

This means that $46 million in parking fees and fines is being wasted. $46 million. How much of that ends up lining the pockets of the private contractors, I wonder?

I'm struggling to see who you are blaming for this.  The enforcement agencies for making so much money or the vehicle owners for not abiding by the laws.

That sounds like there were a lot of vehicles in Auckland that were not legally entitled to be where they were.  It's all very nice of the AA to say that drivers need education.  Surely everyone who owns a car knows their legal obligations.

I do agree however that if they are making that much surplus then they are charging too much - which I suspect is over and above the actual fine.




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  #845401 26-Jun-2013 09:09
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StarBlazer: 
I'm struggling to see who you are blaming for this.  The enforcement agencies for making so much money or the vehicle owners for not abiding by the laws.



I'm not really 'blaming' anybody. I'm merely pointing out the astonishing amount of money it costs to enforce the regulations, and that most of that cost probably ends up making somebody rich rather than benefiting Aucklanders.




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