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  Reply # 847742 1-Jul-2013 15:14
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I can remember some Warehouse stores here doing that (leaving your bags at the front of the store) a few years ago. I remember the Petone Warehouse when it opened had a wall of cube storage where you'd be asked/offered to leave your bag by the security guard at the door as you were entering.

They weren't the only Warehouse with it, but not all had it. But at some stage it disappeared.

So it has been done in New Zealand already.

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  Reply # 847745 1-Jul-2013 15:16
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You don't accept the terms on those signs by simply walking through the door. I'm sure you would agree that you don't enter a binding contract to allow me to spank you over my knee if my T-shirt says that you all those who walk past me agree to being spanked over my knee.


Yes agreed, you may not have accepted the terms.
And as I said above, you have a right not to allow a bag search. But then this gives them the opportunity to enforce their rights.

I don't see the issue with a bag search.

We should be happy that we are allowed to enter places like this here in NZ with our bags. In other countries they make you leave your bags at the door, in secure lockers. Give you a voucher with a number to collect them again. Its a real pain, standing in line just to drop your bag off, or to pick it up again after you finished shopping.

I cant help but think that shopping in this country is heading in the same direction. Come on guys, the odd bag search is really not that bad.


What countries do that?  The only country that I have been asked for a bag search is in NZ (the Warehouse actually), I refused.  Why should you be happy with someone accusing you of something when you haven't done anything wrong.


Rather than being annoyed with the stores - be annoyed with those who think it is OK to shoplift in the first place!! They come from across ALL walks of society, without exception, and it is their fault that the rest of us are subjected to suspicion. It is not the stores fault.

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  Reply # 847753 1-Jul-2013 15:36
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mruane: I have occasionally thought about this and what my response might be. The view I have formed is that I would:

a) Agree to accompany the store employee back to the store quietly and cause no trouble.

b) But before doing that I would inform the detaining employee that:

1) If they find nothing in my possession that belongs to them and has not been paid for I would immediately call the Police and lay a complaint against the store over my wrongful detainment.
2) That I would then lodge a private prosecution against them for damages to my character.

If they still then wished to pursue the matter I would go quietly and submit to the search, but repeat the above when in the store and in front of a security camera to record the event. Alternatively record the even on your smartphone as evidence.

The store has the right to protect its possessions, but we have rights also.

Cheers Mike


Man posts like this always make me smile. I am afraid you have an over inflated view on "your rights". How can you lay a complaint if you AGREED to be "detained?"

I'd also love to know what damage was done to your character?

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mruane: I have occasionally thought about this and what my response might be. The view I have formed is that I would:

a) Agree to accompany the store employee back to the store quietly and cause no trouble.

b) But before doing that I would inform the detaining employee that:

1) If they find nothing in my possession that belongs to them and has not been paid for I would immediately call the Police and lay a complaint against the store over my wrongful detainment.
2) That I would then lodge a private prosecution against them for damages to my character.

If they still then wished to pursue the matter I would go quietly and submit to the search, but repeat the above when in the store and in front of a security camera to record the event. Alternatively record the even on your smartphone as evidence.

The store has the right to protect its possessions, but we have rights also.

Cheers Mike


Man posts like this always make me smile. I am afraid you have an over inflated view on "your rights". How can you lay a complaint if you AGREED to be "detained?"

I'd also love to know what damage was done to your character?


Agreeing to be detained (and restrained)... there's an entire industry around that (so I hear)... Surprised

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  Reply # 847816 1-Jul-2013 17:41
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This has been a very entertaining thread - very enjoyable. Moral of the story: a store can't force you to be searched, nor can they detain you in any way; you're free to just decline the search and walk out the store - those are your rights. However, don't be annoyed if the owner bans you from entering their store again - that's their right. :-)

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  Reply # 847866 1-Jul-2013 19:43
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Klipspringer: As its private property they can ask you to take the hoodie off (you entitled to object), but then they have the right to trespass you out of there. And if they like, trespass you permanently. 

2 years :-)

jfanning:
Klipspringer: We should be happy that we are allowed to enter places like this here in NZ with our bags. In other countries they make you leave your bags at the door, in secure lockers. Give you a voucher with a number to collect them again. Its a real pain, standing in line just to drop your bag off, or to pick it up again after you finished shopping. 

I cant help but think that shopping in this country is heading in the same direction. Come on guys, the odd bag search is really not that bad.


What countries do that?  The only country that I have been asked for a bag search is in NZ (the Warehouse actually), I refused.  Why should you be happy with someone accusing you of something when you haven't done anything wrong.

Countries where larger shops require you to leave your bag at the door? I've seen it a lot in Thailand and have also seen it in the Solomon Islands. Well Honiara at least. Not really any 'big' shopping places anywhere else there, not that they're big in Honiara...

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To me it sounds like over reaction
The store believed your wife was stealing and got it wrong. What's the problem?
She could of given the bag for the security guard to look through. Intimate contents? I assume she doesn't carry round a bunch of dildos with her

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qwerty7: To me it sounds like over reaction
The store believed your wife was stealing and got it wrong. What's the problem?
She could of given the bag for the security guard to look through. Intimate contents? I assume she doesn't carry round a bunch of dildos with her


Yup this mirrors my own sentiment. Seems like a bunch of militant rebels in here sometimes. 

If you don't like how your wife was treated, beat your feet, they aren't the only shop in town.


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  Reply # 848033 2-Jul-2013 07:54
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qwerty7: She could of given the bag for the security guard to look through. Intimate contents? I assume she doesn't carry round a bunch of dildos with her


If she did I think the guard would be more embarassed than her.

Perhaps that is a great way to stop bag searches, just put a big 12 inch dildo on top of the stuff you are stealing Surprised

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  Reply # 848040 2-Jul-2013 08:20
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What countries do that?  The only country that I have been asked for a bag search is in NZ (the Warehouse actually), I refused.  Why should you be happy with someone accusing you of something when you haven't done anything wrong.


All the JB Hifi stores in Australia that I've been to have checked my wife's bag as we've walked out (they seem to check every bag), it's bloody annoying and we stopped shopping there.

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  Reply # 848439 2-Jul-2013 22:26
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qwerty7: To me it sounds like over reaction
The store believed your wife was stealing and got it wrong. What's the problem?
She could of given the bag for the security guard to look through. Intimate contents? I assume she doesn't carry round a bunch of dildos with her


Maybe thats why the OP is so offended? Having the dildos in the warehouse? rOFL +1

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If the person stopping you is not the police or does not hold an current C.O.A (certificate of authority) then they have not right to detain you or search your belongings

it is illegal to act as an security guard without an current COA

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Athlonite: If the person stopping you is not the police or does not hold an current C.O.A (certificate of authority) then they have not right to detain you or search your belongings

it is illegal to act as an security guard without an current COA


A store employee acting on behalf of the owner/operator can stop you. They don't require a COA.

Back when I first started out in Security (part time as an 18 year old fresh out of school) I did a bag search on a teenaged male. He was almost to helpful and receptive, taking his bag off, unzipping all the pockets and holding it open for me. Contained within the main pocket amongst the usual school books etc was several adult themed magazines in all their glory. To this day I'm not sure what was in the other pockets...

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Athlonite: If the person stopping you is not the police or does not hold an current C.O.A (certificate of authority) then they have not right to detain you or search your belongings

it is illegal to act as an security guard without an current COA


A store employee acting on behalf of the owner/operator can stop you. They don't require a COA.

Back when I first started out in Security (part time as an 18 year old fresh out of school) I did a bag search on a teenaged male. He was almost to helpful and receptive, taking his bag off, unzipping all the pockets and holding it open for me. Contained within the main pocket amongst the usual school books etc was several adult themed magazines in all their glory. To this day I'm not sure what was in the other pockets...


may invite you to stop and return to the store... end of authority unless deputised by police officer.




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