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  Reply # 870583 2-Aug-2013 11:40
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KiwiNZ:
ajobbins:
KiwiNZ: The US loves to waste money. We don't because we don't have it to waste.


Who's to say they aren't funding it in return for access to the information? The government can also push a lot of the cost onto other parties. Ie. They enact a law saying that all ISPs need to keep comprehensive records about a users browsing history for x period. They push the cost burden of collection and storage onto the ISP (And ultimately to the customers), then they just access it.


I don't buy into the US funding argument. 


Well, they are funding the GCHQ, so why not the GCSB?

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/aug/01/nsa-paid-gchq-spying-edward-snowden




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  Reply # 870740 2-Aug-2013 14:10
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P1n3apqlExpr3ss: After the younger Tsarnaev got charged for using WMDs, I googled it, turns out anything that isn't a gun and is explosive is a WMD more or less. Then I went onto Briscoes to find out what a pressure cooker actually was; basically seems like a fancy rice cooker. Wonder if I'm on any Government watchlists...


K, lets get the hit rate up - I enjoy cooking with a pressure cooker and performed some searches on various makes, I also have googled "Spud Guns", and searched the local hardware chains web pages for the required parts ( these are quite awesome when fired  - saw one in Oz - oranges and spuds launched a few hundred meters ! - and perhaps illegal to be fired without a firearms license ..), making napalm with petrol and polystyrene / soap, and looked up sabots, and 2-part incendiary devices.

Also have googled V1-style pulse-jets.

So now I have 3 delivery methods, local, very short, and medium ranges, and incendiary devices that will ignite on impact.

However, that being said, all the searches were not for anything specific at the time, other than the spud gun :-)

The gellied-fuel was for a fire-pit, the sabots were for ancient ( and not so ancient)  artillery references, the pulse jet is fascinating - a friend built one many years ago, and used a vacuum on blow, and an air-fuel mixture to start it. As for the 2-part incendiary, that was when I watched a movie ( Die Hard x ? ) where there was a 2-part explosive in a school, but ended up being raspberry jam :-)







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  Reply # 870775 2-Aug-2013 14:43
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ajobbins:
Woolly:Sorry ajobbins this will seem incoherent, I'll try get to the point in my own time.


tl;dr


Woolly I did read and I think you have some valid points.

What do we actually do about this spying without over sight?

How, as a community to we actually fix this problem?






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  Reply # 870789 2-Aug-2013 15:06
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DonGould:
ajobbins:
Woolly:Sorry ajobbins this will seem incoherent, I'll try get to the point in my own time.


tl;dr


Woolly I did read and I think you have some valid points.

What do we actually do about this spying without over sight?

How, as a community to we actually fix this problem?




Actually very little, the Government has the numbers to pass the legislation. in 2014 you can vote for say NZ Green, NZ Maori or Labour, the later has said they will repeal it however history has shown that it is seldom the case.




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  Reply # 870805 2-Aug-2013 15:45
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I like this line:

"There has been far too little focus on the fact that there are real
people behind the masses of information that government agencies hold."

Say these statement are true:

  • "All are equal under the law"

  • "Do no harm to others" eg live in peace


If I spied on your emails, phone calls etc without your consent I'd be breaching the peace.

I could come up with all sorts of excuses:


  • For your safety

  • It was only metadata

  • It wasn't me it was the contractor

  • The binman and Al q was thought to be living with you.

  • The dog made me do it

  • Its Ok I work for the government

  • I wear a batman costume when I'm spying so it's Ok




Now say it was some government agency is spying on you and it was covered under some Act?

I'm guessing the excuse would be "You are on the electoral roll so we had the consent of the governed"

This would break the statement "All are equal under the law".

No matter what, spying on you would be unlawful.



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  Reply # 870824 2-Aug-2013 15:56
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Woolly: I like this line:

"There has been far too little focus on the fact that there are real
people behind the masses of information that government agencies hold."

Say these statement are true:




    • "All are equal under the law"







    • "Do no harm to others" eg live in peace





If I spied on your emails, phone calls etc without your consent I'd be breaching the peace.

I could come up with all sorts of excuses:





    • For your safety







    • It was only metadata







    • It wasn't me it was the contractor







    • The binman and Al q was thought to be living with you.







    • The dog made me do it







    • Its Ok I work for the government







    • I wear a batman costume when I'm spying so it's Ok







Now say it was some government agency is spying on you and it was covered under some Act?

I'm guessing the excuse would be "You are on the electoral roll so we had the consent of the governed"

This would break the statement "All are equal under the law".

No matter what, spying on you would be unlawful.



Zbigniew Brzezinski shows Tim Osman, aka Bin Laden
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Bin Laden, the selling points of these American gifts to "Al Qaeda". Mujahadeen



if you spied on my email etc you would breaching privacy not breaching the peace




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  Reply # 870838 2-Aug-2013 16:33
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KiwiNZ: if you spied on my email etc you would breaching privacy not breaching the peace
 
Too true.

I say breach of the peace too.

As I would not like to be in the same room as yourself when you found out, I couldn't see us holding hands and singing Kumbaya.

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  Reply # 870846 2-Aug-2013 16:48
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Woolly: KiwiNZ: if you spied on my email etc you would breaching privacy not breaching the peace
 
Too true.

I say breach of the peace too.

As I would not like to be in the same room as yourself when you found out, I couldn't see us holding hands and singing Kumbaya.


I am a non violent person 




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  Reply # 870909 2-Aug-2013 18:47
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Non violence is the way to go.

If somebody spies on another then trust and peace between the two has been broken.

Below is my opinion and maybe incoherent to some. eg tl;dr

I think the real answers will come from mothers and especially grandmothers.

I'm not saying that men shouldn't have a say, they should in the right environment.

Parliament is not the right environment, it tends to bring the worst out of people. The theater is great for soundbites but the decisions have already been made.

An easy way to control parliament is to provide the policy to the ministers - eg general policy outline, opinion polls, charts etc. Give it to them freely so that they can claim it as their own, free advice on any changes they require. For them their is little work required, it's all laid out.

The most interesting bit was when the lady described mokopuna at 9:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KwRlaVPfOo

One of the most dangerous things in the world is a well informed public with critical thinking. 

We are all grand children.

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  Reply # 870921 2-Aug-2013 18:57
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Woolly: 

One of the most dangerous things in the world is a well informed public with critical thinking. 



Hmmm, sounds like a fairly safe world then.

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  Reply # 870940 2-Aug-2013 19:22
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turnin that made me laugh out loud, all the best.

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  Reply # 870965 2-Aug-2013 20:43
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As nice as the Wolly utopia may be.
Gentlemen have always read each others mail.

The notion of trust between peers and individuals, lasts about as long as the thought that prompts folk to say it. Trust me....

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  Reply # 870997 2-Aug-2013 21:52
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DonGould:
ajobbins:
Woolly:Sorry ajobbins this will seem incoherent, I'll try get to the point in my own time.


tl;dr


Woolly I did read and I think you have some valid points.

What do we actually do about this spying without over sight?

How, as a community to we actually fix this problem?




I would say insurrection might get the job done, but the government already decides who can have guns, and has already taken enough of our privacy to hamper even peaceful resistance.

All we have left is to escape, or survive the stasi until the wall comes down.

 

** waits for the knocking on the door **

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  Reply # 871012 2-Aug-2013 22:32
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http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=em-upload_owner&v=3fcJW-8xRiM&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D3fcJW-8xRiM%26feature%3Dem-upload_owner

Solution.





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  Reply # 871026 2-Aug-2013 23:31
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Insurrection, Revolution are words that come from a male perspective.

There is no need for guns or violence.

The system is what it is.

The system will protect itself.

The achilles heel of the system is exposure.

The so called stasi have been around us, and have been around us for some time.

With technology there is no need for these people.

I'd imagine some of these people will surface once their pension is secured.

An NDA (Non disclosure agreement) doesn't cover criminal activity.

It's a huge mess and not something I would like to be associated with.

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