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  Reply # 872717 6-Aug-2013 15:30
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Here's a Mesh network for 7 (now 11?) schools and houses in Auckland.
http://www.manaiakalani.org/infrastructure/solution-elements-1


From the Manaiakalani Research Report December 2010 The Learning Edge

6.3 Internet Safety
Because of the amount of online content being generated and the safety issues surrounding students and teachers on line, many lead teacher workshops and Principals meetings were held in 2009 to discuss these issues.

School policies, systems and procedures were updated and teachers, parents and students were made aware of these issues. All lead teachers ensured that each blog was identified as a school site for specific school content.

“With the increased understanding of their voices being heard around the world and that we and others, as an audience, have a choice of what is viewed or read, students are becoming much more aware of what it is to be online –the safety issues and the need to make effective posts”

During interviews with students it was evident that many of the older students were very aware of the need for appropriate posts on a school blog and also the need for teacher censorship. Some were also aware of plagiarism and the responsibility of ownership of one’s work.

In 2010 one teacher commented that after an unfortunate incident where a student was able to get into another child’s files, how important it was to have individual logins to protect student work. The incident was dealt with quickly and highlighted the importance of keeping passwords safe.

August 2012 Update
http://www.manaiakalani.org/home/august-2012-update

$3.50 pw per child over 4 years has provided over 30% of
the money committed to this project. The parents are the single biggest
contributor group.

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  Reply # 872805 6-Aug-2013 18:52
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^^ How is this even vaguely related to the GCSB protests?

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  Reply # 872811 6-Aug-2013 19:06
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JimmyH: ^^ How is this even vaguely related to the GCSB protests?


If you read back you'll see we're talking about the need to more networks.

I think what Woolly is pointing out is that this stuff can be done and is being done by folk in New Zealand already.





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  Reply # 872825 6-Aug-2013 19:29
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DonGould:
JimmyH: ^^ How is this even vaguely related to the GCSB protests?


If you read back you'll see we're talking about the need to more networks.

I think what Woolly is pointing out is that this stuff can be done and is being done by folk in New Zealand already.



more networks will do nothing to resist these proposed powers. More networks will dilute profits and would result in  NZ being serviced by unprofitable companies unable to innovate due to lack of fiscal resources.




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  Reply # 872829 6-Aug-2013 19:52
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For me It's surprising the turnout from all walks of life and ages.

Imagine all these people having a file on them. Not for any threats to others, but for showing an opinion.
Protest March

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  Reply # 872845 6-Aug-2013 20:21
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We're up to page thirty. If this is the kind of private communications that the GCSB wants to read up on, then we would be better to be a lot more worried about where our tax dollars are being wasted, than worried about our privacy.

(I say, tounge in check)

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  Reply # 872852 6-Aug-2013 20:24
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KiwiNZ: more networks will do nothing to resist these proposed powers. More networks will dilute profits and would result in  NZ being serviced by unprofitable companies unable to innovate due to lack of fiscal resources.


I agree it's not going to resist the proposed powers.  It would simply cause more technical people to be in the loop and provide more over sight.

I agree there's an aspect of profits v's security.  One security officer per 1 million people is much cheaper than 10 or 100, that's for sure.

As for innovation, pffft... give me a break.







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  Reply # 872853 6-Aug-2013 20:25
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/columnists/chris-trotter/9005532/Team-Key-not-about-to-be-swayed-over-privacy

I found this very interesting.

I think Chris is right. People just don't care, is the impression I get.

I talked to lots of my friends and generally they weren't interested at all.




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  Reply # 872867 6-Aug-2013 20:32
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DonGould:
KiwiNZ: more networks will do nothing to resist these proposed powers. More networks will dilute profits and would result in  NZ being serviced by unprofitable companies unable to innovate due to lack of fiscal resources.


I agree it's not going to resist the proposed powers.  It would simply cause more technical people to be in the loop and provide more over sight.

I agree there's an aspect of profits v's security.  One security officer per 1 million people is much cheaper than 10 or 100, that's for sure.

As for innovation, pffft... give me a break.





really it's simple economics and math. The primary fuel for innovation is money, money for innovation comes from profits, diluted profits means no money for innovation.

You cannot avoid one fact NZ is a tiny market place with limited growth potential.




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  Reply # 872872 6-Aug-2013 20:38
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KiwiNZ:

really it's simple economics and math. The primary fuel for innovation is money, money for innovation comes from profits, diluted profits means no money for innovation.

You cannot avoid one fact NZ is a tiny market place with limited growth potential.


Oh I agree with all of that...

My comment was simply that we're not innovating now anyway.

We're building massive layer 2 networks that aren't peered very well and will carry stuff all data which limits applications.

I'm interested in networks where you can actually have a 12mbit CIR, which equates to teribytes of data each month, not the gigibytes we're running today.







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  Reply # 872966 7-Aug-2013 07:39
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Of course all these conversations are missing two very important points. Even if the GCSB were suddenly barred from doing all this, and there was oversight with enough teeth that we could be confident they really weren't, there is still the matter that 90% of our internet goes directly to the US. Some goes to Australia. The cables at both those ends are monitored.

Secondly the GCSB might be barred from spying, but nothing has been said about the SIS. They *are* the internal surveillance agency. The TICS bill doesn't really address the SIS at all; it hands the increased powers to the GCSB. I think they're a bit more tightly bound than the GCSB though.




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  Reply # 872967 7-Aug-2013 07:48
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Woolly: For me It's surprising the turnout from all walks of life and ages.

Imagine all these people having a file on them. Not for any threats to others, but for showing an opinion.


Never underestimate the power of dumb people in large groups :-)))

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  Reply # 872994 7-Aug-2013 09:04
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If the GCSB Bill can help find scum like this then pass it now

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/9010167/Chairs-vandalism-sickening




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  Reply # 872999 7-Aug-2013 09:12
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You rather trade an entire nation's privacy right for police finding some idiot who turned chairs upside down?

That's a high price to pay to extend something the police is already empowered to do.




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  Reply # 873000 7-Aug-2013 09:14
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freitasm: You rather trade an entire nation's privacy right for police finding some idiot who turned chairs upside down?

That's a high price to pay to extend something the police is already empowered to do.


It's a memorial not just chairs 




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