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ajobbins: Personally, I believe John Key is the most corrupt PM we have probably ever had. I do not trust him, especially with more powers to spy on citizens. Can we trust him not to pass on all the info to the USA?
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TheUngeek: And there goes the incorrect common argument from the opposed.
Government law enforcement agencies are all that see the info. Not the public not ministers etc
PaulBags:TheUngeek: And there goes the incorrect common argument from the opposed.
Government law enforcement agencies are all that see the info. Not the public not ministers etc
I'm sorry, what were you saying?
jeffnz:ajobbins: Personally, I believe John Key is the most corrupt PM we have probably ever had. I do not trust him, especially with more powers to spy on citizens. Can we trust him not to pass on all the info to the USA?
"the most corrupt" that's subjective and really has nothing to do with the topic. (IMHO)
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jtbthatsme: Well wouldn't say I'm jumping on any bandwagon but the opening words of this thread are "For all those opposed to or worried about the passing of this Bill in its current form"
"In it's current form" this bill is flawed sure there has been a posts on here that are obviously outright against the bill in any form but this is not the point of this thread nor is it what I've been saying all along. This Bill in its current form is wrong it needs to be changed before it is implemented I can't see why anyone could or would be happy with how it is at the moment.
Most posters are agreeing that it needs to be reviewed and that's what the OP has said from the start I myself have said many times the intent of the bill is right, the wording and how they want to do it so far is way off and it is simply not a case of you, me or any law abiding citizen has anything to hide as we do not know how and what the make up of future governments will be and this is more of the problem. If you give them ultimate power when or if the unthinkable happens and we get a government that wants to use this info to subdue any opponents or anyone who has been outspoken against them they can and possibly will.
Obviously some here are missing that point. We are all entiitled to an opinion and have a right to speak it. Just as we have a right to disagree. I for one also believe in my right to privacy. Anyway I'm off for dinner goodnight. (edited to rearrange the paragraph)
ajobbins:jeffnz:ajobbins: Personally, I believe John Key is the most corrupt PM we have probably ever had. I do not trust him, especially with more powers to spy on citizens. Can we trust him not to pass on all the info to the USA?
"the most corrupt" that's subjective and really has nothing to do with the topic. (IMHO)
It's relevant to the topic in that we have this one guy (JK) trying very hard to push this bill through, and I don't think he can be trusted with it. You have to ask what his motives really are. He recent 'relationship' with the US and all that has come with it should be a red flag.
When the [explicit deleted] Human Rights Commission comes out with major concerns about this bill, and the PM then THREATENS them.....that should be very worrying.
I have no doubt John Key will do whatever it takes to enact this law, including using (abusing) urgency if he sees fit.
ajobbins:jeffnz:ajobbins: Personally, I believe John Key is the most corrupt PM we have probably ever had. I do not trust him, especially with more powers to spy on citizens. Can we trust him not to pass on all the info to the USA?
"the most corrupt" that's subjective and really has nothing to do with the topic. (IMHO)
It's relevant to the topic in that we have this one guy (JK) trying very hard to push this bill through, and I don't think he can be trusted with it. You have to ask what his motives really are. He recent 'relationship' with the US and all that has come with it should be a red flag.
When the [explicit deleted] Human Rights Commission comes out with major concerns about this bill, and the PM then THREATENS them.....that should be very worrying.
I have no doubt John Key will do whatever it takes to enact this law, including using (abusing) urgency if he sees fit.
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TheUngeek:ajobbins:jeffnz:ajobbins: Personally, I believe John Key is the most corrupt PM we have probably ever had. I do not trust him, especially with more powers to spy on citizens. Can we trust him not to pass on all the info to the USA?
"the most corrupt" that's subjective and really has nothing to do with the topic. (IMHO)
It's relevant to the topic in that we have this one guy (JK) trying very hard to push this bill through, and I don't think he can be trusted with it. You have to ask what his motives really are. He recent 'relationship' with the US and all that has come with it should be a red flag.
When the [explicit deleted] Human Rights Commission comes out with major concerns about this bill, and the PM then THREATENS them.....that should be very worrying.
I have no doubt John Key will do whatever it takes to enact this law, including using (abusing) urgency if he sees fit.
When the human rights time wasters come out with a load of crap they get what they deserve. Thats one place we should save costs.
TheUngeek:PaulBags:TheUngeek: And there goes the incorrect common argument from the opposed.
Government law enforcement agencies are all that see the info. Not the public not ministers etc
I'm sorry, what were you saying?
That has zero to do with this bill, the sis, police, gcsb etc.
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TheUngeek: When the human rights time wasters come out with a load of crap they get what they deserve. Thats one place we should save costs.
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