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  Reply # 865120 24-Jul-2013 15:01
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Klipspringer:
Talkiet:

Or... you could exercise personal responsibility for your own browsing habits, and those of anyone you are responsible for.

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Whatever mate. I do all of that already.

A change like this would just make my life a lot easier - Anything wrong with that?



You are willing to eschew your personal liberties at the expense of the rest of the nation and hand over your right to choose what you view to the government. What gives you the right to enforce your morals on everyone else? If you want to become a slave then more fool you. 

Note: I am not condoning porn or the viewing of porn, however I am very strongly opposed to censorship.






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  Reply # 865123 24-Jul-2013 15:05
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I also wonder about a 'how much porn have you consumed today' type of service.



A guy I used to work with said that in a previous job of his, the web wasn't filtered by his employer. Instead, the proxy logs were summarised and published on the intranet along with the usernames of those who had accessed each site. You could feel free to check out XXX-whatever-your-fetish-is sites if you wanted to. As long as you were also OK with everybody else in the company knowing exactly what you'd been up to.

They didn't have much of a problem with people slacking off at work.




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  Reply # 865124 24-Jul-2013 15:05
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Klipspringer: 
Lets put porn in the top 5. Porn is so easy to stumble upon. Its not everyday I have stumbled upon any of those other kind of sites you mention.


If you're unintentionally "stumbling upon" porn every day, you may want to either check your PC for malware, or revise your browsing habits... but let's not derail the thread too far down the path of popups and browser security ;)




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  Reply # 865125 24-Jul-2013 15:06
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Klipspringer:
Talkiet:
Klipspringer:
Talkiet: You've also opted into all the legal knitting and crochet websites.

I personally don't want any of that legal content either, so I propose that instead of getting it all without asking, there should also be an OPT-IN list when signing up to get access to legal knitting and crochet websites as well as legal porn.


Well out of a million possible categories I could choose to "opt in" or "opt out". Porn would probably be the single biggest category I would be quiet happy to have automatically blocked.

I assume too that this is the case with most people, especially those with kids.


Really? Porn more damaging that white supremacist hate speech?

More damaging than sites set up to promote bullying of gay and lesbian teenagers in schools?

More damaging than religious cults?

Cheers - N



Lets put porn in the top 5. Porn is so easy to stumble upon. Its not everyday I have stumbled upon any of those other kind of sites you mention. I don't believe they nearly as much of a problem.

At the end of the day I think it would be a good idea to have this responsibility handed over to ISP's.

PS: Love the way you mention "white supremacists". What about "black supremacists"? That probably a problem too.


but why do you care if you 'stumble upon' porn. don't you just press the back button?

What is the big deal if you accidentally type in 'massive cocks' into google when you meant to write 'auckland weather'?

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  Reply # 865126 24-Jul-2013 15:07
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Klipspringer: 
Lets put porn in the top 5. Porn is so easy to stumble upon. Its not everyday I have stumbled upon any of those other kind of sites you mention.


If you're unintentionally "stumbling upon" porn every day, you may want to either check your PC for malware, or revise your browsing habits... but let's not derail the thread too far down the path of popups and browser security ;)



Haha this is entirely too true. I have no idea how people 'stumble' onto porn. I have Google Safe-search on and never run into porn unintentionally. 




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  Reply # 865127 24-Jul-2013 15:07
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Yes, and stick with me on this...

Either it's done badly, and it doesn't work well (easy to work around, misses lots of stuff, slow, etc) or it will become one of the most expensive capabilities ISPs have to build and maintain. Not only that, but it will impact on Internet use in ways you just can't comprehend.

To be perfect, places like youtube would need to be blocked. Same with Vimeo, same with dailymotion, same with Facebook etc. Any site with user generated content will be at high risk. Filtering these would be prohibitively expensive.

So you have a choice between a bad solution that doesn't actually block much (and blocks a lot of stuff it shouldn't) and an impossibly expensive solution that will result in vast swathes of the internet being blocked.

If you go for option 1, you're still going to have to do the policing yourself, and option 2 is never going to fly.

This is about making people feel better that they are doing something, ANYTHING, rather than a solution that actually works.


Have you actually taken the time out and read David Cameron's speech??

The internet and pornography: Prime Minister calls for action

Everything I’ve spoken about today comes back to one thing: the kind of society we want to be.

I want Britain to be the best place to raise a family.

A place where your children are safe.

Where there’s a sense of right and wrong, and boundaries between them.

Where children are allowed to be children.

All the actions we’re taking come back to that.

Protecting the most vulnerable in our society; protecting innocence; protecting childhood itself.

That is what is at stake.

And I will do whatever it takes to keep our children safe.




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  Reply # 865129 24-Jul-2013 15:09
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but why do you care if you 'stumble upon' porn. don't you just press the back button?

What is the big deal if you accidentally type in 'massive cocks' into google when you meant to write 'auckland weather'?


Yea, thats what I normally do.
Works pretty well especially if I have my daughter sitting right next to me.

We sometimes on the computer together. It has actually happened, and the Microsoft filtering does not always work

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Klipspringer:  [snip]

Have you actually taken the time out and read David Cameron's speech??

The internet and pornography: Prime Minister calls for action

[snip]



Yes.

I'll guarantee I know more about the topic and feasibility of actually doing it than he does.

Cheers - N

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  Reply # 865135 24-Jul-2013 15:15
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Talkiet: 
Yes.

I'll guarantee I know more about the topic and feasibility of actually doing it than he does.

Cheers - N


That's not hard, I'm fairly sure the same is true of my cat :P




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  Reply # 865136 24-Jul-2013 15:16
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Klipspringer:
NonprayingMantis:
but why do you care if you 'stumble upon' porn. don't you just press the back button?

What is the big deal if you accidentally type in 'massive cocks' into google when you meant to write 'auckland weather'?


Yea, thats what I normally do.
Works pretty well especially if I have my daughter sitting right next to me.

We sometimes on the computer together. It has actually happened, and the Microsoft filtering does not always work


you accidentally typed 'massive cocks' when you meant to type 'auckland weather'?????


don't use Bing.  Google safe search does a much better job of filtering porn than any ISP is likely to be able to implement.  

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  Reply # 865137 24-Jul-2013 15:16
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Klipspringer:  [snip]

Have you actually taken the time out and read David Cameron's speech??

The internet and pornography: Prime Minister calls for action

[snip]



Yes.

I'll guarantee I know more about the topic and feasibility of actually doing it than he does.

Cheers - N


So then. Is it possible for me to put a system in place, at home, which will take care of all of this?

IE. Filter out porn?

It does not have to be 100% accurate. I can select somewhere "porn on" or "porn off"? Maybe on my router?


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  Reply # 865138 24-Jul-2013 15:17
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SaltyNZ:
DonGould: 
I also wonder about a 'how much porn have you consumed today' type of service.



A guy I used to work with said that in a previous job of his, the web wasn't filtered by his employer. Instead, the proxy logs were summarised and published on the intranet along with the usernames of those who had accessed each site. You could feel free to check out XXX-whatever-your-fetish-is sites if you wanted to. As long as you were also OK with everybody else in the company knowing exactly what you'd been up to.

They didn't have much of a problem with people slacking off at work.


Yes and I wonder if that technology should be deployed for homes and mobile devices where people request it.

I'd like it on my childs mobile devices as a choice, though I doubt I'd be willing to pay for that service.

I think my willingness to pay is also an issue here.

I suspect that providers would give more services if people were willing to pay, but we're just not.

Just paying for access to what I want is expensive enough, paying for the provider to deny me access... ya.






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  Reply # 865145 24-Jul-2013 15:19
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Klipspringer:
Talkiet:
Klipspringer:  [snip]

Have you actually taken the time out and read David Cameron's speech??

The internet and pornography: Prime Minister calls for action

[snip]



Yes.

I'll guarantee I know more about the topic and feasibility of actually doing it than he does.

Cheers - N


So then. Is it possible for me to put a system in place, at home, which will take care of all of this?

IE. Filter out porn?

It does not have to be 100% accurate. I can select somewhere "porn on" or "porn off"? Maybe on my router?



yes it's quite possible and not expensive.


http://www.opendns.com/home-solutions/parental-controls




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  Reply # 865146 24-Jul-2013 15:20
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SaltyNZ:
DonGould: 
I also wonder about a 'how much porn have you consumed today' type of service.



A guy I used to work with said that in a previous job of his, the web wasn't filtered by his employer. Instead, the proxy logs were summarised and published on the intranet along with the usernames of those who had accessed each site. You could feel free to check out XXX-whatever-your-fetish-is sites if you wanted to. As long as you were also OK with everybody else in the company knowing exactly what you'd been up to.

They didn't have much of a problem with people slacking off at work.


Yes and I wonder if that technology should be deployed for homes and mobile devices where people request it.

I'd like it on my childs mobile devices as a choice, though I doubt I'd be willing to pay for that service.

I think my willingness to pay is also an issue here.

I suspect that providers would give more services if people were willing to pay, but we're just not.

Just paying for access to what I want is expensive enough, paying for the provider to deny me access... ya.




We do this kind of monitoring at work. I can request from our IT department any of my employees PC activity. And this includes websites visited, time spent on the internet etc ...

At home I'm using Microsoft Family safety. It works pretty well.

We already allow this sort of monitoring/blocking in the workplace.

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  Reply # 865148 24-Jul-2013 15:22
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SaltyNZ:
DonGould: 
I also wonder about a 'how much porn have you consumed today' type of service.



A guy I used to work with said that in a previous job of his, the web wasn't filtered by his employer. Instead, the proxy logs were summarised and published on the intranet along with the usernames of those who had accessed each site. You could feel free to check out XXX-whatever-your-fetish-is sites if you wanted to. As long as you were also OK with everybody else in the company knowing exactly what you'd been up to.

They didn't have much of a problem with people slacking off at work.


Yes and I wonder if that technology should be deployed for homes and mobile devices where people request it.

I'd like it on my childs mobile devices as a choice, though I doubt I'd be willing to pay for that service.

I think my willingness to pay is also an issue here.

I suspect that providers would give more services if people were willing to pay, but we're just not.

Just paying for access to what I want is expensive enough, paying for the provider to deny me access... ya.




there are loads of apps you can download to do this exact thing right now.  you don't need your ISP to do it.

here is an NZ local app, albeit still in Alpha  
https://www.kidsgomobile.com/


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