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  Reply # 865437 24-Jul-2013 22:49
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I think people should just be better parents.
It's not up to ISPs, the government, teachers or anyone else but you to raise your children


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  Reply # 865442 24-Jul-2013 22:55
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The points of the affirmative ITT:


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  Reply # 865446 24-Jul-2013 22:59
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Klipspringer:
NonprayingMantis: but why do you care if you 'stumble upon' porn. don't you just press the back button?

What is the big deal if you accidentally type in 'massive cocks' into google when you meant to write 'auckland weather'?


Yea, thats what I normally do.
Works pretty well especially if I have my daughter sitting right next to me.

We sometimes on the computer together. It has actually happened, and the Microsoft filtering does not always work


How do you accidentally stumble upon porn ? I have never had porn acidently end up on my screen for the almost 20 years i have been using internet.

What do you do on google do you accidentally type in Black Tranny Porn into the search bar when you where supposed to be searching for twitter ?

It's because of goof balls who have no self control over browsing habits that some country have atrocious internet filters like this.

Again i apoligise for being mean but man i had to say it lol

btw im 24 years old i like porn on redtube don't ruin it for me because YOU HAVE NO SELF CONTROL LOL : )

also if this happened then i would have to go to porn store and get dvds lol and guess what porn store is Christchurch CBD Christchurch CBD is cordoned off in red zone ,therefore i would have no way to get porn because of you lol and NO! i wont sign up to video store just for porn i have the internet porn is free.

I think you're part of a conspiracy and secret plot to destroy the internet and my freedom : (

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  Reply # 865452 24-Jul-2013 23:05
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AppleJackXD:
Klipspringer:
NonprayingMantis: but why do you care if you 'stumble upon' porn. don't you just press the back button?

What is the big deal if you accidentally type in 'massive cocks' into google when you meant to write 'auckland weather'?


Yea, thats what I normally do.
Works pretty well especially if I have my daughter sitting right next to me.

We sometimes on the computer together. It has actually happened, and the Microsoft filtering does not always work


How do you accidentally stumble upon porn ? I have never had porn acidently end up on my screen for the almost 20 years i have been using internet.

What do you do on google do you accidentally type in Black Tranny Porn into the search bar when you where supposed to be searching for twitter ?

It's because of goof balls who have no self control over browsing habits that some country have atrocious internet filters like this.

Again i apoligise for being mean but man i had to say it lol

btw im 24 years old i like porn on redtube don't ruin it for me because YOU HAVE NO SELF CONTROL LOL : )

also if this happened then i would have to go to porn store and get dvds lol and guess what porn store is Christchurch CBD Christchurch CBD is cordoned off in red zone ,therefore i would have no way to get porn because of you lol and NO! i wont sign up to video store just for porn i have the internet porn is free.

I think you're part of a conspiracy and secret plot to destroy the internet and my freedom : (


I enjoy the subtle understatedness of your reply!

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  Reply # 865473 25-Jul-2013 00:07
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I am just waiting for health warnings on fast food and softdrink to come in. It is just so nanny state, and you don't want to follow the UK. Parents should be responsible for what their kids do on the interent and supervise them.

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  Reply # 865474 25-Jul-2013 00:24
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AppleJackXD: Im sorry to say this but i have to you're an idiot. How do you accidentally stumble upon porn ? I have never had porn acidently end up on my screen for the almost 20 years i have been using internet.


That reminds me of this one time at high school, we were all working at our desks and the teacher was surfing the net. She ended up at this gif of an [edit] animated [/edit] man sticking his rear end into the air and then proceeding to excrete feces which hence slid verily down his back, and straight into his mouth. Hilarious. She clicked off it pretty quick, a little embarrassed. Admittedly we were older than the children discussed in this thread.

 Oh and geekzone: I get you might not like me using a colloquialism for feces lest it be deemed offensive, but you could give me the chance to edit my post instead of sending it into the æther.

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  Reply # 865476 25-Jul-2013 00:59
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I love how people are saying how hard it is to do this, while having no actual experience.

The ISP I work for has been doing this for years and years as an add-on service whereby various levels of protection can be configured per user, with an override feature in case of false positives, or for those who need to stroke one out...

Sure its not 100% bullet proof, and doesn't stop internet usage via a mobile phone etc, however it stops accidental to moderate attempts to view whats being restricted.

And yes, its easy to implement for any skilled IP engineer with the right tools. Can't go into more detail without disclosing what product/appliances are being used to deliver said service.




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  Reply # 865478 25-Jul-2013 01:42
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Well the answer is right here, if you want porn blocked at the ISP level, move to an ISP that offers that service.

Its going to be a pain for ISPs to implement this, more than likely they will pass the cost onto the rest of us as well. So why should we have to pay for something we don't want (the filter)?

Anyway, shouldn't you be focusing on the real bad stuff on the net? Sure, go block porn if you dont want your child seeing sex, but thats not going to stop them going to LiveLeak or something and watch someone get their head cut off. Thats the stuff thats going to scar a child, not some blond bimbo with her tits bouncing in front of a camera. 





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  Reply # 865482 25-Jul-2013 02:33
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insane: I love how people are saying how hard it is to do this, while having no actual experience.

The ISP I work for has been doing this for years and years as an add-on service whereby various levels of protection can be configured per user, with an override feature in case of false positives, or for those who need to stroke one out...

Sure its not 100% bullet proof, and doesn't stop internet usage via a mobile phone etc, however it stops accidental to moderate attempts to view whats being restricted.

And yes, its easy to implement for any skilled IP engineer with the right tools. Can't go into more detail without disclosing what product/appliances are being used to deliver said service.


Aaand you just admitted that said service requires additional product/appliance purchases on the ISP side.  Who's paying for this... why should I as a customer who does not want to be filtered be expected to pay for this?  In fact if my ISP were to implement an opt-in filter I'd drop them faster than a hot potato.

To those saying that this should be implemented:

I personally cannot fathom the thought processes of anyone who honestly believes it's acceptable for ISPs to act as moral arbiters of "wholesome, harmonious" content (there, I used the Chinese Government term for it just to rub it in a little) and require people to have to register to receive an unfiltered feed.  I'm sure that system isn't open to any abuse at all!  Why, the government would never request a copy of the opt-in list to find people they should be looking at in more detail.

I'm sure the GCSB will love you for it!  Actually, maybe you already work for the GCSB and this is all a giant conspiracy?  Hmmm...

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  Reply # 865503 25-Jul-2013 07:06
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Klipspringer You mention you pay for the internet and want them to filter you find morally wrong and you don't want to have to deal and pay a third party. . . .

I paid Toyota for my car. But wait it can actually break the law, not morally wrong but actually illegal. Instead of me driving responsible and trusting those I give the keys to to not be a complete fool I want Toyota to GPS track and adjust maximum speed accordingly as I don't want to do it myself. . . .

Where does this morally filtering end . . . .
Who is to pay for the minority ? I'm picking the majority ?

Filtering something that is not illegal is the stupidest thing I've heard in a while.

I have two kids myself. I feel that I should guide them on what to see and do on the internet, yeah they might find something they don't like. But this is real life. I don't want them growing up in some silly bubble trying to hide the nasties, the nasty stuff exists in the real world.. .
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  Reply # 865507 25-Jul-2013 07:14
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blakamin: I think people should just be better parents.
It's not up to ISPs, the government, teachers or anyone else but you to raise your children


(I'm 42, 2 kids)

QFT! - the 2 kids

People need to learn how babysit their own kids, it is not the government's or the ISP's job, be an on to it parent and actually look after your dang children, we ain't your freeking kiddy minders... ////rant




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  Reply # 865560 25-Jul-2013 08:43
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Better parenting instead of helicopter parenting folks.

We got Sir David Attenborough's BBC series Africa on DVD from the store to watch with Bella. She's 7 and we watch one episode every day before bed. Last night the episode was about elephants meeting and how a bull was in "sexual heat" running like crazy, stomping, pushing trees, etc. Then it showed the elephant long erect penis hanging around while it looked for a female. The elephant then found a small female and mounted her. He stroke like crazy and let go when a bigger, older bull came close to start a fight.

Bella asked "what's 'sexual'". So now sex education starts. She already knows some animals have internal eggs (most mammals) and some lay eggs. Both need mum and dad. But that's it. Now we have to start talking about the next steps. Because it's all around us.

Should the state have decided for me not to have Sir David Atenborough's wonderful educational series about animals and life in general available to my kid because there's an animal sex scene in it?

Should I have not have described the sex act in this post?

Should I have not written 'penis" here? Why are Americans so crazy about mothers breastfeeding in public?

I don't want anyone else deciding this for me. Thank you very much. That's why the New Zealand censor stuck a "G" in that DVD. It means GUIDANCE. It means PARENTS do their job instead of expecting others to do it.





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  Reply # 865570 25-Jul-2013 09:06
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Actually PG is Parental Guidance but I am splitting hares, just like that Elephant would go if he got his hooves on one.

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  Reply # 865573 25-Jul-2013 09:08
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Sorry, you're correct. "G" means General Audience - which is even less restricted than PG. I am shocked, shocked that there sex going in the forest!




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  Reply # 865577 25-Jul-2013 09:13
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And it seems Elephants actually have feet, not hooves.

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