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  Reply # 891853 9-Sep-2013 07:49
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Writing "I quit" on a Burger King napkin is suffice

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  Reply # 891876 9-Sep-2013 08:26
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BTR: Writing "I quit" on a Burger King napkin is suffice


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  Reply # 891878 9-Sep-2013 08:43
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Geektastic: An example my wife experienced recently: she was interviewed for a $200,000 a year role by a panel of 4 people, twice. They decided that she was the best person for the job and wished to offer it to her subject to references. She gave them two referees, her immediate past manager and her penultimate one. The penultimate one gave a glowing reference. The immediate past manager did also until she was asked "How do you see X in this role?" to which she apparently replied along the lines of "I'm not sure she is ready for that yet."

That one reply was enough to end the hiring practice in the face of 4 interviewers thinking she was great and one referee agreeing with them!

Sounds legit.

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  Reply # 891884 9-Sep-2013 08:52
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Geektastic: An example my wife experienced recently: she was interviewed for a $200,000 a year role by a panel of 4 people, twice. They decided that she was the best person for the job and wished to offer it to her subject to references. She gave them two referees, her immediate past manager and her penultimate one. The penultimate one gave a glowing reference. The immediate past manager did also until she was asked "How do you see X in this role?" to which she apparently replied along the lines of "I'm not sure she is ready for that yet."

That one reply was enough to end the hiring practice in the face of 4 interviewers thinking she was great and one referee agreeing with them!

Sounds legit.


Maybe in the Wild West that is NZ employment, but certainly not in Europe!

If nothing else it says "we know 4 of our senior managers thought she was great and so did one referee, but a single comment from a virtually unknown third party expressing nothing more than opinion caries more weight than all of them combined"





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  Reply # 891905 9-Sep-2013 09:25
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Geektastic:
bazzer:
Geektastic: An example my wife experienced recently: she was interviewed for a $200,000 a year role by a panel of 4 people, twice. They decided that she was the best person for the job and wished to offer it to her subject to references. She gave them two referees, her immediate past manager and her penultimate one. The penultimate one gave a glowing reference. The immediate past manager did also until she was asked "How do you see X in this role?" to which she apparently replied along the lines of "I'm not sure she is ready for that yet."

That one reply was enough to end the hiring practice in the face of 4 interviewers thinking she was great and one referee agreeing with them!

Sounds legit.


Maybe in the Wild West that is NZ employment, but certainly not in Europe!

If nothing else it says "we know 4 of our senior managers thought she was great and so did one referee, but a single comment from a virtually unknown third party expressing nothing more than opinion caries more weight than all of them combined"

Sorry, you may have misunderstood me. By "Sounds legit", I obviously (or not) meant "Sounds not the least bit legit". That's not how things work, even in the "Wild West" of NZ. Seems more like a polite excuse to me (which maybe you're not used to in Europe?).

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  Reply # 891917 9-Sep-2013 10:07
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bazzer:
Geektastic:
bazzer:
Geektastic: An example my wife experienced recently: she was interviewed for a $200,000 a year role by a panel of 4 people, twice. They decided that she was the best person for the job and wished to offer it to her subject to references. She gave them two referees, her immediate past manager and her penultimate one. The penultimate one gave a glowing reference. The immediate past manager did also until she was asked "How do you see X in this role?" to which she apparently replied along the lines of "I'm not sure she is ready for that yet."

That one reply was enough to end the hiring practice in the face of 4 interviewers thinking she was great and one referee agreeing with them!

Sounds legit.


Maybe in the Wild West that is NZ employment, but certainly not in Europe!

If nothing else it says "we know 4 of our senior managers thought she was great and so did one referee, but a single comment from a virtually unknown third party expressing nothing more than opinion caries more weight than all of them combined"

Sorry, you may have misunderstood me. By "Sounds legit", I obviously (or not) meant "Sounds not the least bit legit". That's not how things work, even in the "Wild West" of NZ. Seems more like a polite excuse to me (which maybe you're not used to in Europe?).

Yeah, I'd say there was something else to it also. Maybe the referee said more than they have told her.

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  Reply # 891919 9-Sep-2013 10:11
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Geektastic:
bazzer:
Geektastic: An example my wife experienced recently: she was interviewed for a $200,000 a year role by a panel of 4 people, twice. They decided that she was the best person for the job and wished to offer it to her subject to references. She gave them two referees, her immediate past manager and her penultimate one. The penultimate one gave a glowing reference. The immediate past manager did also until she was asked "How do you see X in this role?" to which she apparently replied along the lines of "I'm not sure she is ready for that yet."

That one reply was enough to end the hiring practice in the face of 4 interviewers thinking she was great and one referee agreeing with them!

Sounds legit.


Maybe in the Wild West that is NZ employment, but certainly not in Europe!

If nothing else it says "we know 4 of our senior managers thought she was great and so did one referee, but a single comment from a virtually unknown third party expressing nothing more than opinion caries more weight than all of them combined"

 

Interesting situation. Reference Checks are “Evaluative Material” and are exempt from the Privacy Act requirement to disclose this information. So it is interesting the interview people would volunteer this information.

 

 

 

It is unlikely the hiring decision would have been made on this one single piece of information – there is bound to be more to it than that.

 

 

 

They did ask a legitimate hypothetical question. Given the possible success of a person coming into a job can only be hypothetically considered its likely a person who knew your wife and understood the vacant role would be in a position to give a better opinion than a panel of four who know the role but not your wife.

 

 

 

I suspect the referee comment affirmed a thought in the interview peoples mind.

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  Reply # 891920 9-Sep-2013 10:11
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patrickstarr: thanks for all your replies!! im not under ANY contracts so i dont have any restrictions as to leaving.


You may be under a default employment contract, but you should have a written contract (I think it is mandatory).  So before you resign I would suggest that you contact one of the above mentioned agencies.

The department of labour have an employment relations service. I believe they can give you the correct advice on unpaid wages.




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  Reply # 891940 9-Sep-2013 10:43
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eXDee: I suggest you seek some proper advice before resigning. Options include the Citizens Advice Beaureu and I believe theres another group too though that deal with employment disputes, but the name escapes me. These services are free. You can also speak to a lawyer of course.


 

Personally, I’d stay clear of the lawyers. The only people that win once an employment dispute hits a solicitor’s desk are the legal advisors.

 

 

 

You can take this as a sad fact of life and learn from it. Like, next time make sure you get a written employment agreement before you start work. If your next employer can’t give you one then there is a hint there.

 

 

 

If you are inclined to pursue your “rights” your first point of call might be the Department of Labour. They are there to help resolve employment relationship problems. And it costs nothing. Citizens Advice Bureau is a good starting point as well.

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  Reply # 891966 9-Sep-2013 10:58
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TwoSeven:
patrickstarr: thanks for all your replies!! im not under ANY contracts so i dont have any restrictions as to leaving.


You may be under a default employment contract, but you should have a written contract (I think it is mandatory).

 

Since I’m on a roll, it is mandatory for an employer to give an employee a written employment agreement – but just because it is mandatory doesn’t mean it happens.

And there are certain minimum things that must be included in the Agreement – like the place and hours of work and rate of pay.

An employer who doesn’t provide written agreements can be pursued by a Labour Inspector and if it get as far as the Employment Relations Authority a penalty can be imposed – that’s pretty rare though.

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