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#908649 5-Oct-2013 23:58

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NonprayingMantis: I'm also pretty certain it is a hell of a lot more efficient for the council to pay people to mow all the berms than it would be for 500k households to individually manage their own (whether doing it themselves or paying a company to do it)

Exactly, the speed a made for purpose commercial mower could mow the roadside is dozens of times faster than an individual resident ever could. The council may save $3 million but the cost to the city is far higher in wasted time, severed toes and fingers, rodents, unsightly mess and litter entering the harbour that wasn't picked up by the mower guys. Many people will not or can not mow the roadside.

People in central Auckland want the council to do it and are willing to pay for it but councillors from other parts of the city whose whole civil identity is based on being against central Auckland will stop it out of spite. As Mike Lee said, "outer suburban small-mindedness and parochialism".

Should we diversify this thread to include free domestic rubbish removal in central AK where the poor westies have to not only now their own berms but they have to buy council rubbish bags for weekly collection

The Auckland Council was talking about going to a pay per kg bin collection system. Expect dumping, bin raiding and more litter.

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#908686 6-Oct-2013 09:11

josephhinvest:
PaulBags:
Wade: Should we diversify this thread to include free domestic rubbish removal in central AK where the poor westies have to not only now their own berms but they have to buy council rubbish bags for weekly collection

Wheelie bins are so much better. Can take up too much of the footpath, but still better than animal foraged rubbish strewn everywhere.

Either way you pay for rubbish collection. Imagine if your council made itself responsible for all rubbish, picking up any bags or crud on the side of the road. Imagine how much that would cost you in rates.

We westies do get the council zipping around on little motorbikes picking up rubbish. We also pay for rubbish bags.
I believe our rates have historically been the highest in the Auckland region for a long time, while some peoples rates are rising, mine are decreasing. So much so, they have a limit to how much ones rates can go down by per year, my rates decrease are limited to this maximum limit.

Cheers,
Joseph

Edit, also I know you're likely joking about us westies, but a rubbish bag is, I believe about $2.10. My family is of 5 people so we usually put out 2 on rubbish day, for a total spend of over $200 per year, that the other areas in auckland don't seem to have to pay.

Don't forget the inorganic rubbish collection that everyone else gets free but we have to pay $15 a pop for.

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#908747 6-Oct-2013 12:41

josephhinvest:
PaulBags:
Wade: Should we diversify this thread to include free domestic rubbish removal in central AK where the poor westies have to not only now their own berms but they have to buy council rubbish bags for weekly collection

Wheelie bins are so much better. Can take up too much of the footpath, but still better than animal foraged rubbish strewn everywhere.

Either way you pay for rubbish collection. Imagine if your council made itself responsible for all rubbish, picking up any bags or crud on the side of the road. Imagine how much that would cost you in rates.

We westies do get the council zipping around on little motorbikes picking up rubbish. We also pay for rubbish bags.
I believe our rates have historically been the highest in the Auckland region for a long time, while some peoples rates are rising, mine are decreasing. So much so, they have a limit to how much ones rates can go down by per year, my rates decrease are limited to this maximum limit.

Cheers,
Joseph

Edit, also I know you're likely joking about us westies, but a rubbish bag is, I believe about $2.10. My family is of 5 people so we usually put out 2 on rubbish day, for a total spend of over $200 per year, that the other areas in auckland don't seem to have to pay.

I was thinking more of beds, couches, tvs, ovens, etc. Why bother taking it to the dump if the council is responsible for everything?

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#909014 7-Oct-2013 06:32

Geektastic:
5) Every time I interact with council staff it is like a visit to a special needs educational centre

I think you just described every council office in NZ. However having dealt with both SWDC and the WCC you have the easier to deal with special needs centre I can assure you.

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#909141 7-Oct-2013 10:28

kiwitrc:
Geektastic:
5) Every time I interact with council staff it is like a visit to a special needs educational centre

I think you just described every council office in NZ. However having dealt with both SWDC and the WCC you have the easier to deal with special needs centre I can assure you.

Who's WCC? Wellington City Council or Waitakere City Council?

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#909144 7-Oct-2013 10:30

Kyanar:
kiwitrc:
Geektastic:
5) Every time I interact with council staff it is like a visit to a special needs educational centre

I think you just described every council office in NZ. However having dealt with both SWDC and the WCC you have the easier to deal with special needs centre I can assure you.

Who's WCC? Wellington City Council or Waitakere City Council?

Wellington, there is no Waitakere any more is there?

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#909283 7-Oct-2013 12:15

I browsed this thread to see who mows the berm when you have a shared driveway with back sections addressed 1, 1A, 1B, 1C etc. Is it the house closest to the road or do each of the houses share the job equally? I can't see it happening that all share as each will think it is anothers turn.

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#909297 7-Oct-2013 13:02

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I live on the front and I mow the berm. Takes 5 minutes with a person-powered mower. What's the big deal?

Admittedly, I haven't done it for a few weeks - it's full of holes dug by Chorus at the moment......

:-)

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#909298 7-Oct-2013 13:03

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geek4me: I browsed this thread to see who mows the berm when you have a shared driveway with back sections addressed 1, 1A, 1B, 1C etc. Is it the house closest to the road or do each of the houses share the job equally? I can't see it happening that all share as each will think it is anothers turn.

Its mowed by whoever is first to get tired of having a scruffy berm outside their driveway. And once they've caved in once, its their job forever.

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#909458 7-Oct-2013 18:48

huckster: I live on the front and I mow the berm. Takes 5 minutes with a person-powered mower. What's the big deal?

Admittedly, I haven't done it for a few weeks - it's full of holes dug by Chorus at the moment......

:-)

Exactly why it should be the councils responsibility.

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#909462 7-Oct-2013 18:54

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I can't believe people are still discussing this, just cut the bloody grass and stop complaining...

You're acting like children.

Location: Dunedin

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#909492 7-Oct-2013 19:35

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andrewNZ: I can't believe people are still discussing this, just cut the bloody grass and stop complaining...

You're acting like children.

And what about the people down the road who refuse to do it, or are old and infirm, or who don't own lawnmowers?

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#909493 7-Oct-2013 19:36

andrewNZ: ... You're acting like children.

I thought that was the whole point of politics?

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#909646 8-Oct-2013 08:47

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PaulBags:
huckster: I live on the front and I mow the berm. Takes 5 minutes with a person-powered mower. What's the big deal?

Admittedly, I haven't done it for a few weeks - it's full of holes dug by Chorus at the moment......

:-)

Exactly why it should be the councils responsibility.

That makes no sense to me.....

I can't mow it because there are holes and such due to UFB installation. They'll be gone in a week or so and then I will get the weed-wacker out and tidy up.

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#909691 8-Oct-2013 09:51

This discussion just highlights the downfall of society, there will always be a genuine subset that are adversely affected by process changes but i bet most of the noise comes from people not genuinely affected by such issues

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