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  Reply # 917175 18-Oct-2013 19:17
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Personally, I would just pay the guy without asking any further question.





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  Reply # 917179 18-Oct-2013 19:25
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Having thought about it now here is my stance on this:

You are still under the Limitations Act - regardless of the 1950 Act or the 2010 Act, you can be pursued on debts up to 6 years. And it would be possible that you'd be passed on to a debt collector prior to that.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 917184 18-Oct-2013 19:37
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Unless he comes back and apologises for the situation and explains the delay, I'd make him chase it.

I had a small time ISP with a similar habit, had to keep phoning and saying "you haven't billed me", then I'd get 3 months of incorrect invoices, so I'd phone again and ask for it to be fixed, and receive nothing after that.

It was a PITA, and he didn't get what he was owed because he couldn't bill it properly.





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  Reply # 917195 18-Oct-2013 20:10
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If the amount is reasonable, then I'd probably pay it; but I'd also explain that it has not currently been budgeted for, that I also spent my own time tiring to chase up the matter serveral years ago, and I'd advise (not offer) that I will pay it over serveral monthly installments + maybe knock off a bit to cover my time / admin hassle.





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  Reply # 917205 18-Oct-2013 20:39
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Well I went back to him nicely and he gave me a very pointed reply that the amount was outstanding, so now I have gone from mildly miffed to quite annoyed. I will pay it, but I am not as happy about it, and he will unlikely get any more work from me for his attitude.

It's one thing if you make a mistake, it's another if you get annoyed that someone raised the issue.

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  Reply # 917216 18-Oct-2013 21:31
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Set up an automatic payment for $2.50 per week or something silly like that.

IAAL and there are some times when this just happens. The poster who referred to the lawyer who charged for a fallen through contract is very typical. Sometimes the current case (in court next week/settling house purchase tomorrow/client in crisis today/urgent domestic violence issues etc etc etc) take priority over charging a file that is finished.

A practice I developed years ago, call the client. Look at your time and expenses. "Hey I have been thinking hard about the bill for successfully suing X. My time recording shows 8 hours at $200, but I am entitled to charge for urgency, the good result, and the fact that it was very important to you (you kept calling me in the weekend!). I could justify a bill of 2,500, but I value your business and I want to keep you as a client, how does $1,950 sound?"

Half the time they say "Hell I was expecting about $3,000, send me a bill for $1,950 and I'll pay it by return. Thanks. By the way I was talking to Jim the other day and he has a similar problem...".

At which point I think "Damn I pitched that too low...", but I have kept a client who may have a $10,000 job next year and several acquaintances with work in my area of expertise. I also have $1950 that might otherwise take ages to collect.

If your tradesman had said "Hey it was a really busy time when I did that last job for you and I lost your details over Xmas and never got round to billing you. It was an out of hours callout on Xmas Eve and its double time. I could justify a bill of $600, but I'd never have billed you if you hadn't called me back. You obviously liked my work and I want your work next time you need me, let's call it $500" - you'd have paid him by now, his overdraft would be $500 less and he'd have a customer for life.

Now the sod is gonna get $2.50 per week LOL.

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  Reply # 917221 18-Oct-2013 22:06
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networkn: Well I went back to him nicely and he gave me a very pointed reply that the amount was outstanding, so now I have gone from mildly miffed to quite annoyed. I will pay it, but I am not as happy about it, and he will unlikely get any more work from me for his attitude.

It's one thing if you make a mistake, it's another if you get annoyed that someone raised the issue.


Are you sure he didn't invoice you a long time ago, but you never got it? And they then never chased it up?
 The other thing is, did you follow it up all that time ago, when you didn't get any invoice? I have had two jobs done for me, which I was never invoiced for, one I can't remember the contractor I used, so can't get in contact with them, and the other I have contacted them twice for the invoice so I could pay it, and they said it would be sent next time they do the account, and the invoice never arrived. Both over 3 years ago, and pressume that they will never send it.
I would ask them to supply a price breakdown, and you don't want to be paying todays hourly rates on a job that was done years ago at a different rate.
I must admit, I have delayed invoicing people for a few years, but only for amounts under $50 where it wasn't worth the effort, and I would just add it on when I do the next job. But for $600, I would have invoiced within a month.



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  Reply # 917253 19-Oct-2013 00:42
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networkn: Well I went back to him nicely and he gave me a very pointed reply that the amount was outstanding, so now I have gone from mildly miffed to quite annoyed. I will pay it, but I am not as happy about it, and he will unlikely get any more work from me for his attitude.

It's one thing if you make a mistake, it's another if you get annoyed that someone raised the issue.


Are you sure he didn't invoice you a long time ago, but you never got it? And they then never chased it up?
 The other thing is, did you follow it up all that time ago, when you didn't get any invoice? I have had two jobs done for me, which I was never invoiced for, one I can't remember the contractor I used, so can't get in contact with them, and the other I have contacted them twice for the invoice so I could pay it, and they said it would be sent next time they do the account, and the invoice never arrived. Both over 3 years ago, and pressume that they will never send it.
I would ask them to supply a price breakdown, and you don't want to be paying todays hourly rates on a job that was done years ago at a different rate.
I must admit, I have delayed invoicing people for a few years, but only for amounts under $50 where it wasn't worth the effort, and I would just add it on when I do the next job. But for $600, I would have invoiced within a month.


He says he sent the invoice twice, but we never got it, and yes I did follow up, twice, to ensure the details to where he was sending were correct. 

I am very good with payments, when they are due I pay them, his invoice for todays work was paid within 2 hours of him sending me a picture of the installed new items. 


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  Reply # 917260 19-Oct-2013 03:45
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Did you remind him of the unpaid invoice after he agreed to do the new job? If not I'm surprised he was willing to install something for you given the outstanding debt.

I'd be telling him you'll pay it over several months, not because you can't afford it, but because it's not reasonable on his part to expect payment all in one go after such a period of time without follow up.

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  Reply # 917270 19-Oct-2013 08:15
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If it was me I'd be asking for a full breakdown of the invoice - labour and materials for both invoices. At that point it's pretty clear whether he's being taking the p*ss or not with his first invoice.

It's a bad situation for everyone to be in and you do need to pay him for the original work but him being unpleasant makes it hard to have any sympathy for him. If he was taking that tone with me I'd muck him around a bit and ask him to justify everything. If he'd been pleasant about it I would probably just pay it if it seemed reasonable.

It is interesting he's still in business given the fact that he doesn't chase his accounts payable.

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  Reply # 917271 19-Oct-2013 08:27
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If it were me I'd pay up right away.





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  Reply # 917296 19-Oct-2013 09:40
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+1 on asking for a detailed breakdown on the original bill. If he's that slack on accounts payable, what are the chances that he still has a copy of the original invoice? Or did he make up a figure when being inside your house jotted his memory

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  Reply # 917360 19-Oct-2013 13:22
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If he did the work, you should pay for it.

For me statutes of limitations are irrelevant, I asked for something to be done, it was done so I have to pay for it.

Looking on the bright side it looks like you got several years interest free and money in the hand now is often worth more than the same amount a few years later.

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  Reply # 917833 20-Oct-2013 18:26
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nickrout: Set up an automatic payment for $2.50 per week or something silly like that.

IAAL and there are some times when this just happens. The poster who referred to the lawyer who charged for a fallen through contract is very typical. Sometimes the current case (in court next week/settling house purchase tomorrow/client in crisis today/urgent domestic violence issues etc etc etc) take priority over charging a file that is finished.

A practice I developed years ago, call the client. Look at your time and expenses. "Hey I have been thinking hard about the bill for successfully suing X. My time recording shows 8 hours at $200, but I am entitled to charge for urgency, the good result, and the fact that it was very important to you (you kept calling me in the weekend!). I could justify a bill of 2,500, but I value your business and I want to keep you as a client, how does $1,950 sound?"

Half the time they say "Hell I was expecting about $3,000, send me a bill for $1,950 and I'll pay it by return. Thanks. By the way I was talking to Jim the other day and he has a similar problem...".

At which point I think "Damn I pitched that too low...", but I have kept a client who may have a $10,000 job next year and several acquaintances with work in my area of expertise. I also have $1950 that might otherwise take ages to collect.

If your tradesman had said "Hey it was a really busy time when I did that last job for you and I lost your details over Xmas and never got round to billing you. It was an out of hours callout on Xmas Eve and its double time. I could justify a bill of $600, but I'd never have billed you if you hadn't called me back. You obviously liked my work and I want your work next time you need me, let's call it $500" - you'd have paid him by now, his overdraft would be $500 less and he'd have a customer for life.

Now the sod is gonna get $2.50 per week LOL.


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  Reply # 919506 22-Oct-2013 08:07
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My advice never use this guy again. Ok he might have done a nice job installing your projector but his business skills are poor. He mentions he sent two copies of the invoice, why did he never call after sending the second copy and wait 4 years to chase it up?

There are some real cowboys out there thats for sure.

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