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  # 947375 8-Dec-2013 09:21
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I'm with those who think they're okay provided not too distracting. As for what's distracting I'll let the experts in concert with bureaucrats decide that. Or actually as pointed out by someone with reference to the LTA site, it seems like they already have.

If memorials are a problems and I'm not saying they are I suspect the problem is no so much the guidelines, but the problems ensuring people comply with them.

To explain: My first thoughts were we didn't even need guidelines I would trust the common sense of those enforcing them (particularly since I'm fairly sure we already have many general purpose ones). I then changed my mind realising that this is a problem. Not because I don't trust their common sense. But because without guidelines, there would be real reluctance to remove even terribly distracting memorials since it will be spun in to a great evil if the media get's a hold of it. I later read someone confirming this with an example from Campbell Live.

So having the guidelines helps, we still need those involved willing to deal with ones that are clearly distracting and accept the flak. They should offer advice to the those placing the memorials if these people can't find or don't understand the guidelines. Unfortunately in some cases it may be a case of "place it somewhere else".

About advertising signs (or anything else near the road that may be a distraction), remember we do have guidelines for these as well and most of this stuff will be dealt with when it's a distraction. Of course there's always debate over how far to go with potential distractions but you can be sure if McDonalds (random example that popped in to my head) put up a sign violating them and tried to fight the LTA on it, the media response would most likely be 'evil multinational trying to kill people' not 'evil government causing great harm to the poor ordinary person'. (The only example I can recall where the media a big deal, perhaps with a legitimate point, was over signs for the local elections where I remember there were complaints the new guidelines were released too late so many had already had their signs produced some of which weren't compliant.)

Yes of course our roads have problems and these need to be fixed where they can, but that doesn't negate the wisdom of properly monitoring and stopping problems others may create, no matter how well meaning they may be.

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  # 947392 8-Dec-2013 11:08
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pctek: No doubt I'll be flamed but I think they are ridiculous.

The person is no doubt buried somewhere, or their ashes are. Go mourn there, why decorate the road? You mourning the road??



Spot on.





 
 
 
 


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  # 947935 9-Dec-2013 12:19
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Geektastic:
pctek: No doubt I'll be flamed but I think they are ridiculous.

The person is no doubt buried somewhere, or their ashes are. Go mourn there, why decorate the road? You mourning the road??



Spot on.


I agree with this actually.

If we want some type of reminder that people have died on that streach of road how about we get those big green road signs we have everywhere else to tell you how far you are from X city or township and put a death counter on it? (sorry if this seems offensive or morbid to you).

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  # 948000 9-Dec-2013 13:12
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Please, there are too many NZTA reflectorised signs already.

Stuff have this website http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/blackspots

Maybe the GPS road maps should show crash sites as well as speed camera locations.

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  # 948237 9-Dec-2013 17:36
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Lazarui:
Geektastic:
pctek: No doubt I'll be flamed but I think they are ridiculous.

The person is no doubt buried somewhere, or their ashes are. Go mourn there, why decorate the road? You mourning the road??



Spot on.


I agree with this actually.

If we want some type of reminder that people have died on that streach of road how about we get those big green road signs we have everywhere else to tell you how far you are from X city or township and put a death counter on it? (sorry if this seems offensive or morbid to you).


 

As I said earlier, if your relative dies in hospital, you don't go and put memorials next to the bed, do you? There is no difference.





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  # 948325 9-Dec-2013 21:44
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Geektastic:
Lazarui:
Geektastic:
pctek: No doubt I'll be flamed but I think they are ridiculous.

The person is no doubt buried somewhere, or their ashes are. Go mourn there, why decorate the road? You mourning the road??



Spot on.


I agree with this actually.

If we want some type of reminder that people have died on that streach of road how about we get those big green road signs we have everywhere else to tell you how far you are from X city or township and put a death counter on it? (sorry if this seems offensive or morbid to you).


As I said earlier, if your relative dies in hospital, you don't go and put memorials next to the bed, do you? There is no difference.


There is a time and place for telling people they are doing it wrong. Telling someone who has lost a loved one, that they are grieving wrong takes a special type of person.

While I can drive down the motorway and see massive billboards specifically designed to grab my attention, I don't see an issue with a few tiny windmills.



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  # 948340 9-Dec-2013 22:01
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hashbrown:
Geektastic:
Lazarui:
Geektastic:
pctek: No doubt I'll be flamed but I think they are ridiculous.

The person is no doubt buried somewhere, or their ashes are. Go mourn there, why decorate the road? You mourning the road??



Spot on.


I agree with this actually.

If we want some type of reminder that people have died on that streach of road how about we get those big green road signs we have everywhere else to tell you how far you are from X city or township and put a death counter on it? (sorry if this seems offensive or morbid to you).


As I said earlier, if your relative dies in hospital, you don't go and put memorials next to the bed, do you? There is no difference.


There is a time and place for telling people they are doing it wrong. Telling someone who has lost a loved one, that they are grieving wrong takes a special type of person.

While I can drive down the motorway and see massive billboards specifically designed to grab my attention, I don't see an issue with a few tiny windmills.




Agreed

Alas compassion is diminishing in our society.




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  # 948444 10-Dec-2013 08:35
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So should there be a timeframe for the things? Illegally placed memorials still being in place 20 years after the fact, especially when they are at the site of the accident, not at the site of the hospital where an individual actually died, seems rather silly.




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  # 948445 10-Dec-2013 08:41
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stevenz: So should there be a timeframe for the things? Illegally placed memorials still being in place 20 years after the fact, especially when they are at the site of the accident, not at the site of the hospital where an individual actually died, seems rather silly.


second thoughts

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  # 948459 10-Dec-2013 08:45
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KiwiNZ:
stevenz: So should there be a timeframe for the things? Illegally placed memorials still being in place 20 years after the fact, especially when they are at the site of the accident, not at the site of the hospital where an individual actually died, seems rather silly.


so based on your errr logic, War memorials should not be erected after all the Soldiers were not lost there. 


So you think losing your life fighting for "your country" is the same as being cut off by a milk truck?

One is illegally placed on a roadside, the other is paid for by the taxpayer and authorised by the government.





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  # 948466 10-Dec-2013 09:02
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stevenz:
KiwiNZ:
stevenz: So should there be a timeframe for the things? Illegally placed memorials still being in place 20 years after the fact, especially when they are at the site of the accident, not at the site of the hospital where an individual actually died, seems rather silly.


so based on your errr logic, War memorials should not be erected after all the Soldiers were not lost there. 


So you think losing your life fighting for "your country" is the same as being cut off by a milk truck?

One is illegally placed on a roadside, the other is paid for by the taxpayer and authorised by the government.



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  # 948468 10-Dec-2013 09:04
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This thread is getting very close to being locked.

Play the ball, not the player.

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  # 948481 10-Dec-2013 09:28
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stevenz: So should there be a timeframe for the things? Illegally placed memorials still being in place 20 years after the fact, especially when they are at the site of the accident, not at the site of the hospital where an individual actually died, seems rather silly.


Write a letter to the police if you have an issue with a particular memorial that has been there too long or is excessively distracting. I think they have better things to do than actively monitoring the duration of these.  Personally I live at the end of 20km of rural road that has taken many young lives, and have yet to see a memorial last more than a few years.

If your up for it and see a mother or father tending a memorial.  Feel free to walk up and tell them they are being silly for errecting a memorial to the child they raised at the site they were taken from this world. That the events that happened at that site that devastated them and changed their lives forever aren't relevent, because their kid died in hospital or the back of an ambulance.  You might want to take out some dental insurance first though.

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  # 948484 10-Dec-2013 09:33
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Geektastic:
pctek: No doubt I'll be flamed but I think they are ridiculous.

The person is no doubt buried somewhere, or their ashes are. Go mourn there, why decorate the road? You mourning the road??



Spot on.


Not everyone is like you remember .Some think it is important.

I think it is a like an abstraction of going back to the place and time that their loved one die,  and while not being there in person they can be there in spirit.   Obviously victims loved ones can't travel back in time but they can go to the place and think about that time. 

And, it is not yours or my right to impose my will on others who think differently to ourselves.   So long as the memorials are not too obtrusive I don't really mind as it gives victims families some peace. And I just drive on by. 

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  # 948491 10-Dec-2013 09:39
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Geektastic: 

As I said earlier, if your relative dies in hospital, you don't go and put memorials next to the bed, do you? There is no difference.


I think there is a huge difference.    One is in a hospital, and the other is outside next to a road.    One is taken unexpectedly and suddenly, the other may have been a slow but expected death. One is more likely to have happened to an older person, and the other to a younger person. 

However, in saying that, I completely understand that you can have a different perspective. We are not all the same after all. 



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