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  #954725 19-Dec-2013 11:47
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Handsomedan: I still stand by my earlier point that it's not really about what's been done, or even the moral ambiguity...it's the fact that as mayor, he has lost the public's trust.

Trust is an absolute requirement in an office as powerful as the mayor of our only Supercity.

Irrespective of my own political views, moral views and personal views, this guy simply can't go on without the truist of the people and those he works with.

In saying that...who would replace him? Less than 10% of the population actually voted...would a by-election bring more voters to the table? I'd say probably not.



Getting ahead of ourselves a bit, but I would think if there are some strong candidates then the voter turnout will be good too...


IMHO, The main reason most don't vote on council elections is that its too complicated and time consuming - too many votes to make for a whole lot of peoples who are largely unknown to most of the voters...

1 Vote for a Mayor is relatively easy.

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  #954726 19-Dec-2013 11:47
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Handsomedan: I still stand by my earlier point that it's not really about what's been done, or even the moral ambiguity...it's the fact that as mayor, he has lost the public's trust.

Trust is an absolute requirement in an office as powerful as the mayor of our only Supercity.

Irrespective of my own political views, moral views and personal views, this guy simply can't go on without the truist of the people and those he works with.



This.

Doesn't matter what has happened or which side of the argument you sit on anymore.  The question now is around whether his position is now untenable.  In that case I am afraid it is time for him to move on.  

 




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  #954727 19-Dec-2013 11:48
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networkn:

gzt: He will definitely be censured unanimously today. But it is very unlikely he will lose the no-confidence motion.

The no confidence isn't binding anyways right?

Yeah, according to The Herald there is no way to democratically remove a sitting mayor in the new supercity structure. If that is true and he lost a no-confidence motion but asserted that he had the support of the electorate to stay, then it would start a blarney that would drag on like nobody's business. For the scope of the known facts that seems like trouble out of proportion.

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  #954734 19-Dec-2013 11:57
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Council meeting LIVE STREAMING here: http://www.allaboutauckland.com/. Severe boredom warning.

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  #954738 19-Dec-2013 12:02
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Handsomedan: I still stand by my earlier point that it's not really about what's been done, or even the moral ambiguity...it's the fact that as mayor, he has lost the public's trust.


I agree about the loss of trust, but to me it's the infidelity and the moral issue of having an affair in your office at work. If I got caught doing that at work, I would be sacked. Why is it OK for the mayor but not other employees.

This whole hotel this is a non issue as far as I am concerned and doesn't make a difference to the trust issue.




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  #954748 19-Dec-2013 12:17
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ajobbins:
Handsomedan: I still stand by my earlier point that it's not really about what's been done, or even the moral ambiguity...it's the fact that as mayor, he has lost the public's trust.


I agree about the loss of trust, but to me it's the infidelity and the moral issue of having an affair in your office at work. If I got caught doing that at work, I would be sacked. Why is it OK for the mayor but not other employees.

This whole hotel this is a non issue as far as I am concerned and doesn't make a difference to the trust issue.


If the leader of the free world can get a BJ in the Oval office, and not get sacked, then how could it be justified that the mayor of one of the smallest cities in the southern Hemisphere be sacked?


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  #954750 19-Dec-2013 12:20
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networkn:
ajobbins:
Handsomedan: I still stand by my earlier point that it's not really about what's been done, or even the moral ambiguity...it's the fact that as mayor, he has lost the public's trust.


I agree about the loss of trust, but to me it's the infidelity and the moral issue of having an affair in your office at work. If I got caught doing that at work, I would be sacked. Why is it OK for the mayor but not other employees.

This whole hotel this is a non issue as far as I am concerned and doesn't make a difference to the trust issue.


If the leader of the free world can get a BJ in the Oval office, and not get sacked, then how could it be justified that the mayor of one of the smallest cities in the southern Hemisphere be sacked?



That is irrelevant, two wrongs do not make a right.




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  #954751 19-Dec-2013 12:22
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networkn: If the leader of the free world can get a BJ in the Oval office, and not get sacked, then how could it be justified that the mayor of one of the smallest cities in the southern Hemisphere be sacked?


It seems the higher up the chain you are the more likely you are to get away with it. If two junior employee got snapped banging in an unused meeting room, do you think they would keep their jobs? I doubt it.




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  #954753 19-Dec-2013 12:25
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From all the discussions if we tally up the opinions it would be fair to say a by election would sort it out once and for all eh ...

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  #954763 19-Dec-2013 12:30
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ajobbins: If I got caught doing that at work, I would be sacked. Why is it OK for the mayor but not other employees.

Maybe, maybe not. The reality is that where there is no specific rule it is managers discretion. But there is no doubt if a manager chooses to sack it is legally justified.

In this case there is no manager to make that decision and no electorate decision possible for a few years (unless he resigned).

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  #954835 19-Dec-2013 14:05
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ajobbins:
networkn: If the leader of the free world can get a BJ in the Oval office, and not get sacked, then how could it be justified that the mayor of one of the smallest cities in the southern Hemisphere be sacked?


It seems the higher up the chain you are the more likely you are to get away with it. If two junior employee got snapped banging in an unused meeting room, do you think they would keep their jobs? I doubt it.


/me shrugs. 

I think in most situations jobs near the top have considerably more pressure, longer hours, I'd argue neither of the two men referred to have much personal time. Wouldn't surprise me if in LB's case his wife and he had an arrangement that so long as it was discrete...

I don't think it's right, but on the other hand, it's not the end of the world and compared to some abuses that are exhibited by people in power, pretty low on the jump up and down about scale. 

At the end of the day, he has to go home and face his wife and kids, and I know I'd rather face 100,000 angry voters than my wife and kids in that situation. 

I always thought Clinton probably was punished enough by Hillary, that censure wouldn't have been any big deal.



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  #954837 19-Dec-2013 14:09
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gzt:
ajobbins: If I got caught doing that at work, I would be sacked. Why is it OK for the mayor but not other employees.

Maybe, maybe not. The reality is that where there is no specific rule it is managers discretion. But there is no doubt if a manager chooses to sack it is legally justified.

In this case there is no manager to make that decision and no electorate decision possible for a few years (unless he resigned).


I can honestly say that if I caught staff banging on our boardroom table, after hours, I would give them a severe warning and suggest finding another place to express their affections for each other,
especially if said employee did an otherwise good job and or worked long hours. 


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  #954864 19-Dec-2013 14:23
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networkn: I can honestly say that if I caught staff banging on our boardroom table, after hours, I would give them a severe warning and suggest finding another place to express their affections for each other,
especially if said employee did an otherwise good job and or worked long hours.


Would the same be true if the employee(s) were customer facing, and it his somewhere public that your clients could see?
What if those clients then expressed concerns about that employee following the revaluation?




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  #954867 19-Dec-2013 14:27
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ajobbins:
networkn: I can honestly say that if I caught staff banging on our boardroom table, after hours, I would give them a severe warning and suggest finding another place to express their affections for each other,
especially if said employee did an otherwise good job and or worked long hours.


Would the same be true if the employee(s) were customer facing, and it his somewhere public that your clients could see?
What if those clients then expressed concerns about that employee following the revaluation?


Well that's a whole other story. So you are saying his immoral actions are the ones you believe should cause him to quit because it affects his ability to act for the people? Will it stop him making the right decisions about rates, roads, transport? I doubt it.

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  #954890 19-Dec-2013 15:03
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Hopefully now the non confidence vote isn't proceeding, Auckland can put this whole thing behind it, and find a more productive use of it's time.

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