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  #954897 19-Dec-2013 15:13
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Bee: To me I don't think the General public know enough about the whole mess to really make a proper opinion and this just further adds to the mess...

The EY report is one good example - there are some that say this clears him of any legal wrong doing and then Cameron Slater says it shows massive wrong doing... Since I cant read the report myself, who should I believe?

When you have a quiet moment to reflect over the holiday period also ask yourself this :

Who is really running this country? Is it the politicians and councils? Is it the Business Roundtable? Or is it really the media - TV3, TVNZ and NZ Herald?



Russell Brown's article on Public Address clarifies the issues quite a bit.

 




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  #954901 19-Dec-2013 15:16
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Handsomedan: I still stand by my earlier point that it's not really about what's been done, or even the moral ambiguity...it's the fact that as mayor, he has lost the public's trust.

Trust is an absolute requirement in an office as powerful as the mayor of our only Supercity.

Irrespective of my own political views, moral views and personal views, this guy simply can't go on without the truist of the people and those he works with.

In saying that...who would replace him? Less than 10% of the population actually voted...would a by-election bring more voters to the table? I'd say probably not.


I have yet to speak to a person since it blew up that thinks he has busted their trust. I certainly don't feel that way. I saw a NZ Herald Poll that said 74% wanted him gone, but I'd have spoken to 50 people easily about it and not one says he should quit. 

The biggest problem isn't the publics trust, but the issue that the councillors will vote against him for the sake of it, and THOSE are the people who should stand down, as it's THEM that isn't acting in the publics interest. 



Where do you live? I'm in the true-Blue area on the North Shore and I can't find anyone who says he shouldn't quit. But then most of them didn't vote for him anyway. 

I'm disappointed....but I don't want to throw away the Central Rail Link, limits on sprawl and risk privatising Watercare just because Len Brown was horny and careless with his administrivia. 

He's looking a bit like Bill Clinton: talented by flawed....and essentially a good guy who sometimes (too often, perhaps) shows bad judgement. 






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  #954907 19-Dec-2013 15:23
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networkn:
Handsomedan: I still stand by my earlier point that it's not really about what's been done, or even the moral ambiguity...it's the fact that as mayor, he has lost the public's trust.

Trust is an absolute requirement in an office as powerful as the mayor of our only Supercity.

Irrespective of my own political views, moral views and personal views, this guy simply can't go on without the truist of the people and those he works with.

In saying that...who would replace him? Less than 10% of the population actually voted...would a by-election bring more voters to the table? I'd say probably not.


I have yet to speak to a person since it blew up that thinks he has busted their trust. I certainly don't feel that way. I saw a NZ Herald Poll that said 74% wanted him gone, but I'd have spoken to 50 people easily about it and not one says he should quit. 

The biggest problem isn't the publics trust, but the issue that the councillors will vote against him for the sake of it, and THOSE are the people who should stand down, as it's THEM that isn't acting in the publics interest. 



Where do you live? I'm in the true-Blue area on the North Shore and I can't find anyone who says he shouldn't quit. But then most of them didn't vote for him anyway. 

I'm disappointed....but I don't want to throw away the Central Rail Link, limits on sprawl and risk privatising Watercare just because Len Brown was horny and careless with his administrivia. 

He's looking a bit like Bill Clinton: talented by flawed....and essentially a good guy who sometimes (too often, perhaps) shows bad judgement. 




I'd agree with this, however having said that, I do believe he is the right man for the job, and I didn't see another candidate who comes even close. 

Lastly, all the people who want him to quit, put $10 into a jar.. It will cost $10M to hold another election.


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  #954915 19-Dec-2013 15:29
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I don't believe it is over for him, the Council was not the body that put him in the job, it was a percentage of the voting public. I still believe he should stand down and allow an election. He will be free to stand again, this allows the public to decide and if he is confident that
he has the public support then he should have nothing to fear.




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  #954917 19-Dec-2013 15:32
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KiwiNZ: I don't believe it is over for him, the Council was not the body that put him in the job, it was a percentage of the voting public. I still believe he should stand down and allow an election. He will be free to stand again, this allows the public to decide and if he is confident that
he has the public support then he should have nothing to fear.


If you feel so strongly, will you put forward the money to pay for it?


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  #954919 19-Dec-2013 15:33
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networkn: Well that's a whole other story. So you are saying his immoral actions are the ones you believe should cause him to quit because it affects his ability to act for the people? Will it stop him making the right decisions about rates, roads, transport? I doubt it.


Essentially, yes. As a public face for the council, it comes down to his ability to have the right influence and the trust and respect of the people, not just decision making skills. Regardless of what you think of his actions (Personally, I don't care who he screwed), if there is widespread distrust then he can't do his job properly. If his actions affect his ability to engage with the community, businesses, other councillors or other governments (both local and central), then he should consider  standing down. My observation is that the public (for the most part, according to polls) have lost confidence in him, and that lack of confidence will continue to hurt him and the people of Auckland. The public may get over it quickly, in which case he could continue to serve as major in an effective manor, but that remains to be seen.




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  #954921 19-Dec-2013 15:34
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KiwiNZ: I don't believe it is over for him, the Council was not the body that put him in the job, it was a percentage of the voting public. I still believe he should stand down and allow an election. He will be free to stand again, this allows the public to decide and if he is confident that
he has the public support then he should have nothing to fear.


If you feel so strongly, will you put forward the money to pay for it?



Would you pay for the next local body election or the next general election ?




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  #954923 19-Dec-2013 15:35
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KiwiNZ:
networkn:
KiwiNZ: I don't believe it is over for him, the Council was not the body that put him in the job, it was a percentage of the voting public. I still believe he should stand down and allow an election. He will be free to stand again, this allows the public to decide and if he is confident that
he has the public support then he should have nothing to fear.


If you feel so strongly, will you put forward the money to pay for it?



Would you pay for the next local body election or the next general election ?


I did pay for it, once, which is as many time as I am happy to pay for it. If YOU want another, how about YOU pay for it?

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  #954924 19-Dec-2013 15:35
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KiwiNZ: I don't believe it is over for him, the Council was not the body that put him in the job, it was a percentage of the voting public. I still believe he should stand down and allow an election. He will be free to stand again, this allows the public to decide and if he is confident that
he has the public support then he should have nothing to fear.


Meanwhile....Dick Quax has a lot to say and no one at all voted for him to be on Council. 

Had I known that was going to be acclaimed I would have run myself just to force the vote. Acclamation stinks. 




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  #954927 19-Dec-2013 15:38
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networkn:
KiwiNZ:
networkn:
KiwiNZ: I don't believe it is over for him, the Council was not the body that put him in the job, it was a percentage of the voting public. I still believe he should stand down and allow an election. He will be free to stand again, this allows the public to decide and if he is confident that
he has the public support then he should have nothing to fear.


If you feel so strongly, will you put forward the money to pay for it?



Would you pay for the next local body election or the next general election ?


I did pay for it, once, which is as many time as I am happy to pay for it. If YOU want another, how about YOU pay for it?


Wow that must have cost you a fortune, good on you




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Linuxluver: Meanwhile....Dick Quax has a lot to say and no one at all voted for him to be on Council.

Had I known that was going to be acclaimed I would have run myself just to force the vote. Acclamation stinks.

First time I've heard of this. How does Acclamation work?

Edit: Just googled and found an explanation on your blog: http://truthseekernz.blogspot.co.nz/2013/10/auckland-council-elections-2013-voters.html

It's not the first result for Auckland City Council Acclamation (yet : ). I was surprised to learn coincidentally three of the councillors spending the most time on this issue were 'acclaimed'. For them next time around could be a challenge in more ways than one.

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Linuxluver:
KiwiNZ: I don't believe it is over for him, the Council was not the body that put him in the job, it was a percentage of the voting public. I still believe he should stand down and allow an election. He will be free to stand again, this allows the public to decide and if he is confident that
he has the public support then he should have nothing to fear.


Meanwhile....Dick Quax has a lot to say and no one at all voted for him to be on Council. 

Had I known that was going to be acclaimed I would have run myself just to force the vote. Acclamation stinks. 


Very unfortunate name. I always add "Does he?" in my head whenever I hear it!





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I'm undecided whether he should go but if he's hiding stuff then maybe he should but I still think its more about right v left.

As a mayor I don't rate him very high at all and think he has no good vision for Auckland however he was the best out of a bad bunch but I didn't vote for him but voted party as I saw that as what it was all about.








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  #955278 20-Dec-2013 08:47
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jeffnz: I'm undecided whether he should go but if he's hiding stuff then maybe he should but I still think its more about right v left.

As a mayor I don't rate him very high at all and think he has no good vision for Auckland however he was the best out of a bad bunch but I didn't vote for him but voted party as I saw that as what it was all about.





The "best of a bad bunch" analogy is a fair point...it's not like there were a lot of options at the time...would there be many now?

Would still not vote for him in a by-election and still think he's done a poor job.




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  #955284 20-Dec-2013 08:56
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The Len Brown affair is an awesome smoke screen




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