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  # 961112 4-Jan-2014 15:24
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alasta:
jpoc: I believe that there is another factor in play here. If you buy the $300 DVD player, you might expect it to work for 5 years without problems and it will be feature packed. If you buy the $40 player, it will have fewer features and will die after 12 months so you buy another one for another $40 and you find that most of the features that were lacking on the one from last year have now made it onto the new one and your cheap DVD player has now cost you $80 (you had to buy two of them) and it is now not so far behind the $300 unit that you could have bought.

Another year, another $40 DVD player and your $120 now has you a unit that is actually an advance over the $300 unit.


You are forgetting the environmental impact of this, and the risk of the cheap machine potentially failing suddenly at an inconvenient time.


The environmental issues are real in squalid backward nations that dump those $40 DVD players in landfill but in modern nations, they are all collected up and put in containers to be shipped back to China. There the metal parts are recycled and the electronics parts are ground up so that the precious metals and rare earths can be extracted and then what is left is mixed up with milk powder.

In Europe, Aldi regularly has a specials on the current years crop of DVD players etc. People queue up outside the shop in the morning to be sure to get one. They have been doing that for well over a decade and there is no sign that their customers are reluctant to buy. In some classes of consumer electronics, Aldi is the largest retailer by volume despite only having each type of product in the shop for one week in the year.

It is clearly a model that has massive consumer appeal.


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  # 961132 4-Jan-2014 15:55
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geek4me: Bought a cheap Android USB TV stick from China a year or so ago. It was faulty as it would not download and save Play Store apps without giving Write errors. Sent it back and received a replacement which had the same problem. Sent the second one back and the supplier claimed it never arrived so never received a refund.

Since then I am wary of buying electronics direct from China. I have however recently ordered 4 cheap 12V LED lamps which I hope are better than those the op tried. LED spot light bulbs are so much more expensive here which can also come from China. Should these LED bulbs fail I think it will cure me from buying goods direct from China for quite some time.

Perhaps we need a forum topic which lists companies from China that do supply reliable goods.


LED bulbs are interesting, as there are heaps of online sellers in NZ now selling them, and often they could just be cheap ones that they have purhcased from china, but have have huge margins on them. It is interesting that they havn't dropped in price based on all the poeple now selling them here. But they are often poorer quality, and have no known brand name, so I stick to the good brands like philips and panasonic, and haven't had any fail yet. The cheap ones can also lose their light intensivity over time.

 
 
 
 


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  # 961139 4-Jan-2014 16:05
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geek4me: Bought a cheap Android USB TV stick from China a year or so ago. It was faulty as it would not download and save Play Store apps without giving Write errors. Sent it back and received a replacement which had the same problem. Sent the second one back and the supplier claimed it never arrived so never received a refund.

Since then I am wary of buying electronics direct from China. I have however recently ordered 4 cheap 12V LED lamps which I hope are better than those the op tried. LED spot light bulbs are so much more expensive here which can also come from China. Should these LED bulbs fail I think it will cure me from buying goods direct from China for quite some time.

Perhaps we need a forum topic which lists companies from China that do supply reliable goods.


LED bulbs are interesting, as there are heaps of online sellers in NZ now selling them, and often they could just be cheap ones that they have purhcased from china, but have have huge margins on them. It is interesting that they havn't dropped in price based on all the poeple now selling them here. But they are often poorer quality, and have no known brand name, so I stick to the good brands like philips and panasonic, and haven't had any fail yet. The cheap ones can also lose their light intensivity over time.


I think mattwnz has summed this thread. We can all choose a cheap option or an unknown brand, or we can choose proven brands. We makes our choices. Some times cheap can work, I bought an XU1 planer for a one time, 10 minute job, I've used it later, darn fine device for $25. Bought same brand hand grinder for lawn mower blade sharpening, damn fine device. Feels uber quality . Sure I won't use these for 4 hours a day each but at 20 odd bucks, great. Probably last me 10 years. Electronics is different, buy proven

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  # 961142 4-Jan-2014 16:11
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jpoc:
alasta:
jpoc: I believe that there is another factor in play here. If you buy the $300 DVD player, you might expect it to work for 5 years without problems and it will be feature packed. If you buy the $40 player, it will have fewer features and will die after 12 months so you buy another one for another $40 and you find that most of the features that were lacking on the one from last year have now made it onto the new one and your cheap DVD player has now cost you $80 (you had to buy two of them) and it is now not so far behind the $300 unit that you could have bought.

Another year, another $40 DVD player and your $120 now has you a unit that is actually an advance over the $300 unit.


You are forgetting the environmental impact of this, and the risk of the cheap machine potentially failing suddenly at an inconvenient time.


The environmental issues are real in squalid backward nations that dump those $40 DVD players in landfill but in modern nations, they are all collected up and put in containers to be shipped back to China. There the metal parts are recycled and the electronics parts are ground up so that the precious metals and rare earths can be extracted and then what is left is mixed up with milk powder.

In Europe, Aldi regularly has a specials on the current years crop of DVD players etc. People queue up outside the shop in the morning to be sure to get one. They have been doing that for well over a decade and there is no sign that their customers are reluctant to buy. In some classes of consumer electronics, Aldi is the largest retailer by volume despite only having each type of product in the shop for one week in the year.

It is clearly a model that has massive consumer appeal.



What is left is mixed up with milk powder? I now understand a lot re your opening post now.

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  # 961157 4-Jan-2014 16:32
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jpoc:
alasta:
jpoc: I believe that there is another factor in play here. If you buy the $300 DVD player, you might expect it to work for 5 years without problems and it will be feature packed. If you buy the $40 player, it will have fewer features and will die after 12 months so you buy another one for another $40 and you find that most of the features that were lacking on the one from last year have now made it onto the new one and your cheap DVD player has now cost you $80 (you had to buy two of them) and it is now not so far behind the $300 unit that you could have bought.

Another year, another $40 DVD player and your $120 now has you a unit that is actually an advance over the $300 unit.


You are forgetting the environmental impact of this, and the risk of the cheap machine potentially failing suddenly at an inconvenient time.


The environmental issues are real in squalid backward nations that dump those $40 DVD players in landfill but in modern nations, they are all collected up and put in containers to be shipped back to China. There the metal parts are recycled and the electronics parts are ground up so that the precious metals and rare earths can be extracted and then what is left is mixed up with milk powder.

In Europe, Aldi regularly has a specials on the current years crop of DVD players etc. People queue up outside the shop in the morning to be sure to get one. They have been doing that for well over a decade and there is no sign that their customers are reluctant to buy. In some classes of consumer electronics, Aldi is the largest retailer by volume despite only having each type of product in the shop for one week in the year.

It is clearly a model that has massive consumer appeal.



What is left is mixed up with milk powder? I now understand a lot re your opening post now.


Real sorry to have stretched you beyond your ability to spot and understand humour.

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  # 961163 4-Jan-2014 16:41
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You didn't , but there are Chinese users on here and they probably would not see that as humour. They are proud and patriotic and from those I know the melamine thing is more than a disappointment to them. More to them than us I expect.

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  # 961183 4-Jan-2014 17:39
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There aren't many Chinese brands per se in our marketplace - but plenty of manufacturing of course. The only Chinese brand I own is the cheap and cheerful TP Link router. Works wonderfully - incredible value.

Cynically with Chinese gear we must assume that there is a genuine risk of backdoors to allow snooping by security forces and commercial spies for the Glorious Motherland, but security risks associated with US gear is probably much higher than with Chinese.
Choosing Huawei for the NZ backbone looks like an inspired choice these days.

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  # 961185 4-Jan-2014 17:51
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And my cheap nasty chinese warehouse car stereo has decided to pack it in now. About a year old. Need to find a loom for my old Aux-less and bluetooth-less pioneer so I at least have some sounds in the car while I am hunting out the reciept for the cheap piece of junk.




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  # 961235 4-Jan-2014 19:05
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Klipspringer: The answer depends on the ethnicity of the person reading the question.


ORLY?


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  # 966056 13-Jan-2014 11:52
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OK so we bought a nice little Sony Bluetooth Micro Hi-FI this weekend. Really impressed with the sound and the Bluetooth/wifi features. Was really suprised to see the item was made in China.

I have always been a Sony Fan and its definitely the preferred electronic brand in our home (TV's, PS3, Mini Hifi, kids CD/Radios, blue ray player, etc). Maybe its just been good-luck.



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  # 966072 13-Jan-2014 12:10
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Klipspringer: OK so we bought a nice little Sony Bluetooth Micro Hi-FI this weekend. Really impressed with the sound and the Bluetooth/wifi features. Was really suprised to see the item was made in China.

I have always been a Sony Fan and its definitely the preferred electronic brand in our home (TV's, PS3, Mini Hifi, kids CD/Radios, blue ray player, etc). Maybe its just been good-luck.




I dont think that Sony make very much in Japan these days - I bought a Sony xperia tablet Z a couple of weeks back - made in China.
We bought a few Sony TVs for work about 2 years back - all made in China as well.
Alarm clock at home that I have had for nearly 20 years - pretty sure that was made in China as well.




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  # 966110 13-Jan-2014 12:48
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There are lots of high quality Chinese made electronics, some of the best audiophile brands are Chinese for example (my favorite headphone is the HiFiMan HE-6, and I run that at home from the speaker taps of an amp from a Chinese amp company, which in turn is connected to a Chinese DAC/amp). There is a lot of rubbish out there, but as a general rule pricing gives that stuff away.




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  # 966412 13-Jan-2014 19:46
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NZtechfreak: There are lots of high quality Chinese made electronics, some of the best audiophile brands are Chinese for example (my favorite headphone is the HiFiMan HE-6, and I run that at home from the speaker taps of an amp from a Chinese amp company, which in turn is connected to a Chinese DAC/amp). There is a lot of rubbish out there, but as a general rule pricing gives that stuff away.


I have a Fiio DAC/amp which is excellent and my British designed KEF loudspeakers are made in China and perform exceptionally well. All of my Chinese made Apple kit and Nikon lenses have also worked with perfect reliability.

The only electronic item I have experienced problems with in recent years was my Onkyo amp - designed in Japan and made in Malaysia.

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  # 966484 13-Jan-2014 21:46
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"Made in China" in the 80s was an almost sure sign of low quality rubbish.

These days, it's hard to buy anything _not_ made in China, and the quality varies wildly. Cheap products tend to still be cheap, whereas more expensive ones tend to be better quality.

I'd be fairly confident that every item of technology on the desk in front of me was either made in China, or a significant proportion of the components within were, and it's all good reliable gear, most of which has provided me with years of faithful service.




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