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#966049 13-Jan-2014 11:47

KiwiNZ: There needs to be more cycle lanes pun in, I feel a good way this could be achieved is turning the grass berms in the streets into cycle lanes.

Great idea. Then the Auckland council will not have to mow them..

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#966051 13-Jan-2014 11:48

People don't seem to understand that when you ride/drive or walk anywhere near rolling balls of steal, that you are riding/driving or walking for your life. Cyclists in Auckland are suicide though. Seriously. Far too many idiots on Auckland streets.

Everything comes with danger, but driving/cycling I think is especially dangerous. Those left unprotected like cyclists are the worst off. A lot of people (especially cyclists and pedestrians in my experience) seem to lack the attention required to travel in harmony with cars and fob off the responsibility of paying attention to the motorist. Trouble is, motorists aren't paying attention 100% of the time and it's the pedestrian that will pay the worst toll at the end.

I travel by this rule. If it's bigger than me, stay the hell away. If I'm walking, I make sure I know exactly what is going on around me. If I'm driving my car, I make sure I keep to the speed limit, check following distances and give trucks the space they need to maneuver through the city/country side. I've never had an accident. All the potential accidents I could have been involved in didn't happen because I was paying attention.

The most recent close call was near great north road, where a cyclist decided to pull on to the road directly in front of me, instead of pulling off to the side of the road where he was supposed to be. Luckily, I was paying attention and doing 40Kph as I was slowing down for lights. If my inexperienced brother or my sister were driving, he may have been added to last year's death toll.

Just be careful and follow the rules. Make sure you are looking out for the idiots that don't follow the rules and you will be fine.

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#966104 13-Jan-2014 12:42

In the last week, I have seen two utterly shocking examples of red light running.

In the first, I was stopped at a red light. I was the second car back from the front. A motorcyclist overtook me on the right and proceeded to pass the car in front of me, the rider then crossed over into the junction and turned left.

In the second, I was the fourth car back from the lights. The lights turned green and just as the first car started to move, a car crossed over from right to left directly in front of the car that was just moving from the lights. It was a cop car. No flashing lights or sirens just running the light because he could get away with it.

I just ordered a dash cam from aliX. No doubt I will have plenty of videos to upload to youtube in the next weeks.

thegeekboy

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#966127 13-Jan-2014 13:10

Nobody should run red lights.
Nobody should push their luck on orange lights either.
There. problem solved.

EVERYONE should watch Urbanized - it's brilliant.
Len Brown and Celia Wade-Brown should watch it - our cities would be so much better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jpN8kI0-pY

An example is shown of a street where the cycle lane is put between the footpath and the parked cars.
In other words - the parked cars provide separation (and safety) between bicycle traffic and cars/trucks/buses.

So - the cars protect the cyclists. Instead of the cyclists protecting the cars. Love it.

Separate bike lane

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#966133 13-Jan-2014 13:34

Where does everyone stand regarding bicycles being registered?

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#966135 13-Jan-2014 13:38

k1wi: Where does everyone stand regarding bicycles being registered?

Nothing to be gained

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#966137 13-Jan-2014 13:41

k1wi: Where does everyone stand regarding bicycles being registered?

Not worth it, as if you start you need to do skate boards, scooters, roller blades etc as well

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#966140 13-Jan-2014 13:46

k1wi: Where does everyone stand regarding bicycles being registered?

I'm in favor of it. Then they can ticket the red light runners easier. Skateboaders don't go as fast as cyclists..

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#966142 13-Jan-2014 13:51

jfanning:
k1wi: Where does everyone stand regarding bicycles being registered?

Not worth it, as if you start you need to do skate boards, scooters, roller blades etc as well

Ban everything from the roads with wheels and no license. If you want to ride in the roads, u need to pay an annual license regardless of what you ride.

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#966149 13-Jan-2014 13:57

Klipspringer:
jfanning:
k1wi: Where does everyone stand regarding bicycles being registered?

Not worth it, as if you start you need to do skate boards, scooters, roller blades etc as well

Ban everything from the roads with wheels and no license. If you want to ride in the roads, u need to pay an annual license regardless of what you ride.

So, Wheelchairs, Pushchairs, walking frames, shopping trundlers?

jfanning

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#966151 13-Jan-2014 13:57

Klipspringer:
jfanning:
k1wi: Where does everyone stand regarding bicycles being registered?

Not worth it, as if you start you need to do skate boards, scooters, roller blades etc as well

Ban everything from the roads with wheels and no license. If you want to ride in the roads, u need to pay an annual license regardless of what you ride.

And how does this ensure that the people using it are doing so correctly. The current systems doesn't allow this, so banning some of the users won't fix it.

DravidDavid

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#966152 13-Jan-2014 13:58

But "Cycling is the go in Auckland." If you had to register a bike the same as a car. Nobody would want to save the planet any more and just take their car instead.

...Sweet! Why not start now?

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#966183 13-Jan-2014 14:34

KiwiNZ:
Mark:
KiwiNZ:
Mark:
KiwiNZ: I heard that cyclists are often motorists and pedestrians to, maybe wrong though but I kinda doubt it.

no .. when on a pedal bike you are a cyclist, when you are walking on your legs you are a pedestrian, when you are driving a car your a motorist ... you can't be all of them at once (unless you are in the circus and have a really weird act going on).

I was referring to the "they don't pay for the roads BS" and the "they don't know the rules BS"

OK then ... a 14 year old cyclist on the road ... where have they paid ? And what compulsory training have they had ?

Oh for goodness sake

OK no cyclist ever should be allowed on the roads ever is that better?

If we are going to pedantic, Anyone under 18 should not use toilets, taps, footpaths, hospitals, libraries, watch Freeview, ummm be protected by the Police Army etc etc etc as they are not paying

Oh and as an aside, my kids all studied the road code and was instructed by us on how to ride and use their bikes. And ummm I think I maybe wrong but we paid taxes to cover them

Whatever I'm saying seems to be over your head ... I'm trying to suggest that COMPULSORY training is needed BEFORE you go out and play in traffic (something a bit better than "My dad told me what to do so I know everything now"). That way a small investment up front will prevent people having to buy coffins, or wheelchairs or spend months in physio.

To me it seems weird that people with no road craft skills think it's perfectly fine to jump on a bicycle and weave in and out of cars and trucks.

Mark

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#966186 13-Jan-2014 14:36

k1wi: Where does everyone stand regarding bicycles being registered?

Wouldn't really work ... but making road skills a school topic to be passed would help.

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#966196 13-Jan-2014 14:39

Mark:
KiwiNZ:
Mark:
KiwiNZ:
Mark:
KiwiNZ: I heard that cyclists are often motorists and pedestrians to, maybe wrong though but I kinda doubt it.

no .. when on a pedal bike you are a cyclist, when you are walking on your legs you are a pedestrian, when you are driving a car your a motorist ... you can't be all of them at once (unless you are in the circus and have a really weird act going on).

I was referring to the "they don't pay for the roads BS" and the "they don't know the rules BS"

OK then ... a 14 year old cyclist on the road ... where have they paid ? And what compulsory training have they had ?

Oh for goodness sake

OK no cyclist ever should be allowed on the roads ever is that better?

If we are going to pedantic, Anyone under 18 should not use toilets, taps, footpaths, hospitals, libraries, watch Freeview, ummm be protected by the Police Army etc etc etc as they are not paying

Oh and as an aside, my kids all studied the road code and was instructed by us on how to ride and use their bikes. And ummm I think I maybe wrong but we paid taxes to cover them

Whatever I'm saying seems to be over your head ... I'm trying to suggest that COMPULSORY training is needed BEFORE you go out and play in traffic (something a bit better than "My dad told me what to do so I know everything now"). That way a small investment up front will prevent people having to buy coffins, or wheelchairs or spend months in physio.

To me it seems weird that people with no road craft skills think it's perfectly fine to jump on a bicycle and weave in and out of cars and trucks.

Because my view differs from your view there is no need to be insulting

Did you not infer that as they have not paid to use the road? "OK then ... a 14 year old cyclist on the road ... where have they paid ?"
You asked what training they may have received ?

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