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  #966198 13-Jan-2014 14:42
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Mark:

I'm trying to suggest that COMPULSORY training is needed BEFORE you go out and play in traffic (something a bit better than "My dad told me what to do so I know everything now").  That way a small investment up front will prevent people having to buy coffins, or wheelchairs or spend months in physio.

To me it seems weird that people with no road craft skills think it's perfectly fine to jump on a bicycle and weave in and out of cars and trucks.  


One part of me is agreeing with u.

But compulsory training? Thats just another step closer to making us even more of a Nanny State.

If people want to ride in our roads, cyclists whoever, they need to accept that its a dangerous please. Lets not try and force more rules on people. And when the odd accident happens, it happens unfortunately.



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  #966201 13-Jan-2014 14:45
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What motorist need to do in NZ is a change in attitudes, the public roads are not a motor sport circuit, also they need to leave the bad attitudes and lack of respect and aggression  at home before they get into the vehicles, driving is not an ego contest or a territorial fight.




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  #966218 13-Jan-2014 14:52
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Klipspringer:
Mark:

I'm trying to suggest that COMPULSORY training is needed BEFORE you go out and play in traffic (something a bit better than "My dad told me what to do so I know everything now").  That way a small investment up front will prevent people having to buy coffins, or wheelchairs or spend months in physio.

To me it seems weird that people with no road craft skills think it's perfectly fine to jump on a bicycle and weave in and out of cars and trucks.  


One part of me is agreeing with u.

But compulsory training? Thats just another step closer to making us even more of a Nanny State.

If people want to ride in our roads, cyclists whoever, they need to accept that its a dangerous please. Lets not try and force more rules on people. And when the odd accident happens, it happens unfortunately.




it used to be that schools taught road code, well the basics and you were taught about cycling from memory but I think its a great idea but the people on bikes are only part of the equation and others need to accept that people on bikes are able to use the roads and it isn't just for cars.

On registering bikes, good luck with that how would you police it and what exactly would that change given most accidents involving cyclists aren't at traffic lights.


I think some of you need to get your facts straight before posting comments based more on emotion than anything else.




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  #966220 13-Jan-2014 14:53
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KiwiNZ: What motorist need to do in NZ is a change in attitudes, the public roads are not a motor sport circuit, also they need to leave the bad attitudes and lack of respect and aggression  at home before they get into the vehicles, driving is not an ego contest or a territorial fight.

But that is exactly what it is in Auckland.

Boy racers want to drag my girlfriend in her new car, everyone wants to be ahead of everyone else like it is a race...And when pulling in to a park at count down, the other guy that also wanted it drives by you yelling and swearing at the top of his lungs.  How should we go about changing the attitudes of the already impatient, egotistical drivers?

Three strike system for running red lights?  Three strikes and you're out for good.  Take the bus if you can't handle a vehicle properly.





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  #966234 13-Jan-2014 15:01
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KiwiNZ: What motorist need to do in NZ is a change in attitudes, the public roads are not a motor sport circuit, also they need to leave the bad attitudes and lack of respect and aggression  at home before they get into the vehicles, driving is not an ego contest or a territorial fight.


Couldn't agree more.

Not directly related to this issue, but as an example of overly aggressive driving, here's a disturbing incident we witnessed recently. There is a lot of roadworks going on down the North Western Motorway in West Auckland. As a result there are quite a few 70 & 80 KPH speed limited sections. There was a car obeying one of these speed limits on the inside lane, when another car came barreling up behind. This car aggressively pulled up right behind the car in front, who could not change lanes due to traffic. The lead driver decided to respond by slowing down slightly.

Once she was able to safely change lanes to let this overly aggressive driver past, she did so. The other driver responded by purposely swerving his car towards her, then pulling in front of her, and slowing right down for around ten seconds. He then got bored with this, changed lanes again, and sped off.

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  #966245 13-Jan-2014 15:11
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Mark:
Whatever I'm saying seems to be over your head ... I'm trying to suggest that COMPULSORY training is needed BEFORE you go out and play in traffic (something a bit better than "My dad told me what to do so I know everything now").  That way a small investment up front will prevent people having to buy coffins, or wheelchairs or spend months in physio.

To me it seems weird that people with no road craft skills think it's perfectly fine to jump on a bicycle and weave in and out of cars and trucks.  


All you have to do to play in a car is to rope learn a wee book and sit a test on it, no practical test prior to learning to driver.

 
 
 
 


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  #966261 13-Jan-2014 15:36
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Boy racers want to drag my girlfriend in her new car, everyone wants to be ahead of everyone else like it is a race...And when pulling in to a park at count down, the other guy that also wanted it drives by you yelling and swearing at the top of his lungs.  How should we go about changing the attitudes of the already impatient, egotistical drivers?


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  #966263 13-Jan-2014 15:42
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Read the OP this morning and a lot of this has predictably turned into a pro / anti thread.
In my view cyclists have a right to ride on the roads safely and should be respected, but at the same time should respect all other road users and obey the rules.

The one thing I just don’t get about cyclists though.......why the obscene tight shorts???




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  #966283 13-Jan-2014 16:08
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floydbloke: Read the OP this morning and a lot of this has predictably turned into a pro / anti thread.
In my view cyclists have a right to ride on the roads safely and should be respected, but at the same time should respect all other road users and obey the rules.

The one thing I just don’t get about cyclists though.......why the obscene tight shorts???
The shorts (at least for me) are for comfort.  Loose shorts get in the way as well as not having padding.

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  #966301 13-Jan-2014 16:43
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floydbloke: The one thing I just don’t get about cyclists though.......why the obscene tight shorts???

Personally never a big fan of wearing them. I wore them once or twice maybe. There are good reasons for wearing. Counter-intuitively they have less friction than ordinary shorts. Ordinary shorts (even running shorts) tend to chafe in all the wrong places especially on longer rides. Any clothing flapping will slow you down and increase fatigue so tighter clothing is useful. Good breathability as well. With proximity to the skin and with the better materials perspiration is more likely to go straight through and evaporate. Can't say I find them obscene maybe you are looking too closely. : p

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  #966302 13-Jan-2014 16:47
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floydbloke: The one thing I just don’t get about cyclists though.......why the obscene tight shorts???

Personally never a big fan of wearing them. I wore them once or twice maybe. There are good reasons for wearing. Counter-intuitively they have less friction than ordinary shorts. Ordinary shorts (even running shorts) tend to chafe in all the wrong places especially on longer rides. Any clothing flapping will slow you down and increase fatigue so tighter clothing is useful. Good breathability as well. With proximity to the skin and with the better materials perspiration is more likely to go straight through and evaporate. Can't say I find them obscene maybe you are looking too closely. : p


I tried them once my wife thought I looked like a demented praying mantis 




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  #966327 13-Jan-2014 17:26
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KiwiNZ:
Klipspringer:
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k1wi: Where does everyone stand regarding bicycles being registered?

Not worth it, as if you start you need to do skate boards, scooters, roller blades etc as well


Ban everything from the roads with wheels and no license. If you want to ride in the roads, u need to pay an annual license regardless of what you ride.





So, Wheelchairs, Pushchairs, walking frames, shopping trundlers?


Ummm.... I don't think I have *ever* seen any of these riding the road. Crossing the road, yes, but not riding it. I would be pretty concerned if the person in the lane in front of me on the motorway was using a walking frame

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  #966330 13-Jan-2014 17:34
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old3eyes:
k1wi: Where does everyone stand regarding bicycles being registered?


I'm in favor of it.  Then they can ticket the red light runners easier.  Skateboaders don't  go as fast as cyclists..


It could work. Doesn't need to be expensive to do. Just require all bikes on the road to have a visible number plate, with the same fine if you are caught on the road on a bike with no plates as it is if you are caught in a car with no plates. The person the bike is registered to is responsible for it. Then, at least if a bike does something silly like running a red light, they can be reported and traced (just like a car).

Personally, I have no issue with cycling, and try to always give cyclists room etc. I do, however, expect them to also obey the rules and show courtesy back again - not running red lights, not riding two or three abreast and holding up gigantic queues of traffic ....

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  #966338 13-Jan-2014 17:45
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old3eyes:
k1wi: Where does everyone stand regarding bicycles being registered?


I'm in favor of it.  Then they can ticket the red light runners easier.  Skateboaders don't  go as fast as cyclists..


It could work. Doesn't need to be expensive to do. Just require all bikes on the road to have a visible number plate, with the same fine if you are caught on the road on a bike with no plates as it is if you are caught in a car with no plates. The person the bike is registered to is responsible for it. Then, at least if a bike does something silly like running a red light, they can be reported and traced (just like a car).

Personally, I have no issue with cycling, and try to always give cyclists room etc. I do, however, expect them to also obey the rules and show courtesy back again - not running red lights, not riding two or three abreast and holding up gigantic queues of traffic ....


Actually I don't think it would work given how much time and effort it would take to Police it, happy to be proven wrong here but would like to see evidence it works elsewhere.






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