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  #968884 17-Jan-2014 13:43
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Lyderies:
Yeah, as far as i see it there is know one else to vote for, so id go for the lesser of the evils ...


You're moving to Australia? Last one to leave please turn out the lights. ;-)

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  #968915 17-Jan-2014 14:22
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MikeSkyrme:
SaltyNZ:
Byrned: So its a vote for Dotcom even though I don't know his policies and his only real policy seems to be "stick it to JK"

Strong option there...


NZ First got, what, 8 seats? And they have no policies at all!


Not much in the way of policy, but a legion of pensioners who no nothing apart from 'vote for Winston and his party'.....

Much like Dotcom, only replace;

'Pensioners' with 'those that just want to stick it to the man'

and

'Vote for Winston and his party' with 'vote for Dotcoms party'.


So because a person in on a pension they know nothing.... lovely

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  #968919 17-Jan-2014 14:25
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NonprayingMantis:
KiwiNZ:
Lyderies:
SaltyNZ:
Lyderies: or is he advertising for said party?


I don't need any advertising: I'll vote for him.


Ill vote for him to even though he reminds me of a german santa, with a half evil agenda


You would vote for him?

what are his .....

Fiscal policies?
Foreign policies ?
Defence policies
Economic and regional development policies ?
Social and Health policies?
Education policies ?
Environment policies ?


None of that stuff really matters under MMP. He can be a single issue party only interested in one specific area.


True, but none of that stuff matters anyway when the TPP comes into force. But for some reason there is nothing in the main stream media about it, I guess they have just run out of room ?

we were discussing this forum topic at lunch and I was told by a colleague that I should stop feeling so 'entitled' to privacy and that it was my sense of entitlement that was the issue, he asked me how I would feel if a terrorist took out a member of my family. I told him it would be worse if I couldn't talk to my family in private. anyway it turns out he was quite serious. This is getting pretty bad , people really are buying this rubbish despite it being found that it's having little if no impact at all on terrorism.

I think people really do believe that the GCSB is Norton Antivirus and that there are terrorists everywhere and that by monitoring us we will solve all the issues, this is fear mongering and frankly as a population we deserve better. So if Kim dot com love or hate the guy can get people talking about privacy , the TPP ( which will probably be the end of our software patent stance for that matter ) and the important fundamental issues as much as main stream media can get people talking about Miley &&^%$ Cyrus and her sledge hammer then surely that's a good thing.  

I also see the US has just said no to net neutrality !, wow !  but hey the media don't really want you to know more about that either. crazy.

right, finish work, go home, watch some murders on TV, wonder where we are going wrong
 





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  #968922 17-Jan-2014 14:36
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KiwiNZ:
MikeSkyrme:
SaltyNZ:
Byrned: So its a vote for Dotcom even though I don't know his policies and his only real policy seems to be "stick it to JK"

Strong option there...


NZ First got, what, 8 seats? And they have no policies at all!


Not much in the way of policy, but a legion of pensioners who no nothing apart from 'vote for Winston and his party'.....

Much like Dotcom, only replace;

'Pensioners' with 'those that just want to stick it to the man'

and

'Vote for Winston and his party' with 'vote for Dotcoms party'.


So because a person in on a pension they know nothing.... lovely


Wow, for a minute there I thought you were my wife, as she is the only one I know (or knew up to this point) who can find a message within my original messages that was not intended to be relayed.

I apologise for inadvertently stating that pensioners know nothing. I used it as an example and was clearly wrong.




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  #968923 17-Jan-2014 14:38
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MikeSkyrme:
Not much in the way of policy, but a legion of pensioners who no nothing apart from 'vote for Winston and his party'.....

Much like Dotcom, only replace;

'Pensioners' with 'those that just want to stick it to the man'

and

'Vote for Winston and his party' with 'vote for Dotcoms party'.


I find that offensive to say the least. People vote for what they think best suits them and they 'may' include what is beneficial to them, probably the same as you do or do you vote for what is good for others!.

Winston has targeted the older citizens as they will get him in, in return he has done some good things for them, is this wrong or are they?.

If you don't like the party don't vote for it but don't trash those that vote a particular way because they may be right.




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  #968967 17-Jan-2014 15:22
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jeffnz:
MikeSkyrme:
Not much in the way of policy, but a legion of pensioners who no nothing apart from 'vote for Winston and his party'.....

Much like Dotcom, only replace;

'Pensioners' with 'those that just want to stick it to the man'

and

'Vote for Winston and his party' with 'vote for Dotcoms party'.


I find that offensive to say the least. People vote for what they think best suits them and they 'may' include what is beneficial to them, probably the same as you do or do you vote for what is good for others!.

Winston has targeted the older citizens as they will get him in, in return he has done some good things for them, is this wrong or are they?.

If you don't like the party don't vote for it but don't trash those that vote a particular way because they may be right.


Offensive? Really? Which part of it offended you and why?

If it was for inadvertently saying that pensioners know nothing, then I have already posted an aopolgy in response to the concerns KiwiNZ raised.

If, however, it was for saying that pensioners vote for Winston, have you not reinforced that view within your response?




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  #968968 17-Jan-2014 15:25
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MikeSkyrme:
KiwiNZ:
MikeSkyrme:
SaltyNZ:
Byrned: So its a vote for Dotcom even though I don't know his policies and his only real policy seems to be "stick it to JK"

Strong option there...


NZ First got, what, 8 seats? And they have no policies at all!


Not much in the way of policy, but a legion of pensioners who no nothing apart from 'vote for Winston and his party'.....

Much like Dotcom, only replace;

'Pensioners' with 'those that just want to stick it to the man'

and

'Vote for Winston and his party' with 'vote for Dotcoms party'.


So because a person in on a pension they know nothing.... lovely


Wow, for a minute there I thought you were my wife, as she is the only one I know (or knew up to this point) who can find a message within my original messages that was not intended to be relayed.

I apologise for inadvertently stating that pensioners know nothing. I used it as an example and was clearly wrong.


apology accepted without hesitation.

I am a bit short fused when it comes to the "old folks no nothing thing" we see so often on tech sites and others. I did not mean come on strong so sorry about that.



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  #968970 17-Jan-2014 15:28
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MikeSkyrme:
jeffnz:
MikeSkyrme:
Not much in the way of policy, but a legion of pensioners who no nothing apart from 'vote for Winston and his party'.....

Much like Dotcom, only replace;

'Pensioners' with 'those that just want to stick it to the man'

and

'Vote for Winston and his party' with 'vote for Dotcoms party'.


I find that offensive to say the least. People vote for what they think best suits them and they 'may' include what is beneficial to them, probably the same as you do or do you vote for what is good for others!.

Winston has targeted the older citizens as they will get him in, in return he has done some good things for them, is this wrong or are they?.

If you don't like the party don't vote for it but don't trash those that vote a particular way because they may be right.


Offensive? Really? Which part of it offended you and why?

If it was for inadvertently saying that pensioners know nothing, then I have already posted an aopolgy in response to the concerns KiwiNZ raised.

If, however, it was for saying that pensioners vote for Winston, have you not reinforced that view within your response?


your response was posted whilst I was doing mine. Actually the whole post was rubbish the part you apologised for was offensive to me.

They don't all vote for Winston I can assure you so no need for the generalisations to make your point.




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  #969029 17-Jan-2014 17:44
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MikeSkyrme:

Not much in the way of policy, but a legion of pensioners who no nothing apart from 'vote for Winston and his party'.....

Much like Dotcom, only replace;

'Pensioners' with 'those that just want to stick it to the man'

and

'Vote for Winston and his party' with 'vote for Dotcoms party'.


You forget that those pensioners do know very well who got them free public transport and an indexing of super payments to a fixed percentage of average earnings.

Those two things are very important to that group. Far more important than asset sales, the TPP or GCSB. Winston knows his stuff and so does his support base.

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  #969031 17-Jan-2014 17:52
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jpoc:
MikeSkyrme:

Not much in the way of policy, but a legion of pensioners who no nothing apart from 'vote for Winston and his party'.....

Much like Dotcom, only replace;

'Pensioners' with 'those that just want to stick it to the man'

and

'Vote for Winston and his party' with 'vote for Dotcoms party'.


You forget that those pensioners do know very well who got them free public transport and an indexing of super payments to a fixed percentage of average earnings.

Those two things are very important to that group. Far more important than asset sales, the TPP or GCSB. Winston knows his stuff and so does his support base.


I would think a pensioner/s would think the future of the country is potentially more important than their own situation, especially if they have kids/grand kids, mind you, their care might increase if they were more informed of the latter two topics 

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  #969183 17-Jan-2014 22:56
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turnin:
I would think a pensioner/s would think the future of the country is potentially more important than their own situation, especially if they have kids/grand kids, mind you, their care might increase if they were more informed of the latter two topics 


Most old folks that I know put spending time with their kids or grand kids at the top of their list and free public transport helps a lot more with that than scrapping the TPP.

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  #969189 17-Jan-2014 23:05
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Zeon: Kim Doctcom is a master manipulator and half of the public and the whole media seem to have fallen for it.


Separate the issues from your obvious dislike for the man. 

On the issues...he is spot-on. 

There is no deception in this......unless you're talking about the lies the government has been telling with respect to their illegal spying. 

As for Dotcom's Party...I won't be voting for it. Several other established parties already have that ground well covered....especially the greens...and supporting yet another party only weakens the whole side by risking fragmenting it.

But if the idea is that such a party can be a useful platform for publicising these issues....then that's great. But I won't be wasting my vote on his party.




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  #969572 19-Jan-2014 10:24
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Linuxluver:
Zeon: Kim Doctcom is a master manipulator and half of the public and the whole media seem to have fallen for it.


Separate the issues from your obvious dislike for the man. 

On the issues...he is spot-on. 


Yes, the issues are huge and people are mostly ignoring them. Overreaching state, uncalled for breach of privacy, corporate greed taking over policies, etc.

But I don't consider him the person to represent me on this front.

That's all I can say.





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turnin:
NonprayingMantis:
KiwiNZ:
Lyderies:
SaltyNZ:
Lyderies: or is he advertising for said party?


I don't need any advertising: I'll vote for him.


Ill vote for him to even though he reminds me of a german santa, with a half evil agenda


You would vote for him?

what are his .....

Fiscal policies?
Foreign policies ?
Defence policies
Economic and regional development policies ?
Social and Health policies?
Education policies ?
Environment policies ?


None of that stuff really matters under MMP. He can be a single issue party only interested in one specific area.


True, but none of that stuff matters anyway when the TPP comes into force. But for some reason there is nothing in the main stream media about it, I guess they have just run out of room ?

we were discussing this forum topic at lunch and I was told by a colleague that I should stop feeling so 'entitled' to privacy and that it was my sense of entitlement that was the issue, he asked me how I would feel if a terrorist took out a member of my family. I told him it would be worse if I couldn't talk to my family in private. anyway it turns out he was quite serious. This is getting pretty bad , people really are buying this rubbish despite it being found that it's having little if no impact at all on terrorism.

I think people really do believe that the GCSB is Norton Antivirus and that there are terrorists everywhere and that by monitoring us we will solve all the issues, this is fear mongering and frankly as a population we deserve better. So if Kim dot com love or hate the guy can get people talking about privacy , the TPP ( which will probably be the end of our software patent stance for that matter ) and the important fundamental issues as much as main stream media can get people talking about Miley &&^%$ Cyrus and her sledge hammer then surely that's a good thing.  

I also see the US has just said no to net neutrality !, wow !  but hey the media don't really want you to know more about that either. crazy.

right, finish work, go home, watch some murders on TV, wonder where we are going wrong
 




I just read The Circle by Dave Eggers. Scarily similar to what the world is coming to.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Circle-Dave-Eggers/dp/0385351399

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