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  Reply # 995762 27-Feb-2014 20:10
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clevedon:
jarledb:
clevedon:
jarledb: Traction control is another fun one for slippery conditions (snow/ice). Driving under those conditions you will notice the traction control and the ABS breaks a lot on really slippery roads. 


Pedantic I know, but they are brakes - not breaks. 


Thank you, always appreciate opportunities to work on my english. Its not my first language :)


My apologies, I didn't realize.




Um, realise. :D


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  Reply # 995774 27-Feb-2014 20:33
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blakamin:
clevedon:
jarledb:
clevedon:
jarledb: Traction control is another fun one for slippery conditions (snow/ice). Driving under those conditions you will notice the traction control and the ABS breaks a lot on really slippery roads. 


Pedantic I know, but they are brakes - not breaks. 


Thank you, always appreciate opportunities to work on my english. Its not my first language :)


My apologies, I didn't realize.




Um, realise. :D


just stirring.


Yeah, ha ha. That's initially how I typed it also - then I checked on Dictionary.com and both were valid but since spell check underlined realise, I chucked 'z' in there.

I should of just of said - My apologies, I didn't know. ;)

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 995890 27-Feb-2014 22:55
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There is a van available new in Nz without ABS. it is the Mitsubishi L300. It also doesn't have any airbags or ESP. And it has a 1 star crash safety rating.





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  Reply # 995907 28-Feb-2014 00:09
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Aredwood: There is a van available new in Nz without ABS. it is the Mitsubishi L300. It also doesn't have any airbags or ESP. And it has a 1 star crash safety rating.


That is crazy. It looks like a car they stopped working on in the mid 90s and have just kept selling. And from that information that does not sound far fetched either.





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  Reply # 995908 28-Feb-2014 00:11
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clevedon: 

My apologies, I didn't realize.

I guess repairing cars, being my trade - seeing it spelt that way looks kind of wrong to me :)


Like I said: Thank you for letting me know. Only way of learning is to be told when you are doing something wrong. 






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  Reply # 995914 28-Feb-2014 00:27
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Huh why is realize wrong? It is perfectly correct. Today.

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  Reply # 995916 28-Feb-2014 00:29
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I'm glad ESP is now mandatory, it without doubt saved me when I swerved around a large brick on the motorway going ~100km/h. I was ready to start sliding sideways into other cars but sure enough it braked the inside wheels and pulled me in line.

Having new Eagle F1 A2's probably didn't hurt either but now knowing what my car can do I actually do feel a lot safer.

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  Reply # 995920 28-Feb-2014 00:42
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jarledb:
Aredwood: There is a van available new in Nz without ABS. it is the Mitsubishi L300. It also doesn't have any airbags or ESP. And it has a 1 star crash safety rating.


That is crazy. It looks like a car they stopped working on in the mid 90s and have just kept selling. And from that information that does not sound far fetched either.



And the worst part is I have to drive one as part of my job.

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  Reply # 995924 28-Feb-2014 01:00
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Aredwood: 
And the worst part is I have to drive one as part of my job.


If you're havin car troubles, I feel bad for you son.
I got 99 problems but a L300 ain't one.




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  Reply # 995984 28-Feb-2014 08:14
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^gold
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  Reply # 996038 28-Feb-2014 09:05
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joker97: it is amazing that a multilingual person can participate in an English forum. there are lots of people who only knows one language who can't spell :D (hint: not necessarily NZ)


Thank you :-P

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  Reply # 996042 28-Feb-2014 09:10
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clevedon:
The speedo does not instantly stop if all four wheels lock. The speedo sensor is gear driven inside the gearbox and does not instantly stop working when all four wheels lock (as said earlier - very rare) , a vehicle has to have momentum for the ABS to work.


clevedon:els lock (as said earlier - very rare) , a vehicle has to have momentum for the ABS to work.

Unless you pick up a stationary vehicle with the wheels locked with your foot on the brake and throw it out onto ice and let it slide - yes the ABS will not work.


I gave this one a little thought last night and have to disagree.

It does not matter where the speedo is connected, the wheels or the gearbox. The speedo will still stop if you lock up the wheels at 100km/h. When the wheels stop spinning, so does that gear in the gearbox. Meaning no ABS.

Or am I missing something?



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Klipspringer:
joker97: it is amazing that a multilingual person can participate in an English forum. there are lots of people who only knows one language who can't spell :D (hint: not necessarily NZ)


Thank you :-P


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  Reply # 996091 28-Feb-2014 09:41
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ABS systems have evolved significantly since the first non electronic systems available.

Most controllers are continually monitoring the vehicle speed and most vehicles have two speed sensors often in the gearbox plus the wheel sensors for ABS. Newer more advanced vehicles have other sensors to monitor pitch, yaw, motion so don't rely on the gearbox speed sensors.

Some only have a single wheel sensor for the rear others have all four wheels monitored. The back axle typically does a lot less braking force than the front so individual wheel control isn't considered as critical. Often the back wheels are both feed from a single brake circuit unlike the fronts which usually have individual brake feeds.

Usually ABS will not work below about 10kph though this limit can vary. If a vehicle happens to lock all four wheels the controller still knows what speed the vehicle was doing when the lockup happened and will release pressure to the wheels to reactivate braking at which point it gets a new wheel speed reading.

Note that ABS works by releasing brake pressure - systems such as ESC work by increasing brake pressure as well so they are a lot more advanced.

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  Reply # 996122 28-Feb-2014 09:56
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joker97: Huh why is realize wrong? It is perfectly correct. Today.


It's fine. If you're an American.





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