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  # 996557 28-Feb-2014 18:03
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tdgeek: Is the rest of the universe made up of what our known sector is? I assume so as it all came from the Big Bang theory. There are not that many elements, they should exist everywhere, so I feel the criteria to create bilogical carbon based substances from a chemical reaction of existing elements and other factrors (water, electricity) should be the same as it was for Earth.

To me it comes down to what factors does Earth have, that a life supporting planet has? And whats the odds? Low I feel but we are here due to science and biology, and a number of factors met. It can happen elsewhere too, even to the point of sustaning like for millions of years to allow complex organisms, then what we term as intelligent life

Why are you so preoccupied with Carbon? What is so special about that that it makes what you want to call "life"?

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  # 996564 28-Feb-2014 18:17
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Klipspringer:
KiwiNZ: What stops many from accepting there maybe life out there in infinity and beyond?

The belief that we are still the centre of the universe.


I'm all for believing that the possibility exists. But I like evidence before I just take on the "follow the heard" mentality.

As for this thread. The possibilty exists that there could be other life in the universe. But where we are in this space of time, the answer is inconclusive. You cant prove a negative. You can't proove that something does NOT exist. Its like trying to proove that there are no ants in your backyard, you can however prove that there are some. The answer is therefore inconclusive until its been proven different. Until then though, there can be no correct, incorrect comments, opinions or theories abnout it.

Just like the earth was flat theory.


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  # 996566 28-Feb-2014 18:21
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bazzer: 
Why are you so preoccupied with Carbon? What is so special about that that it makes what you want to call "life"?


To quote wikipedia (and I know I shouldn't).
"there are more known carbon-containing compounds than all the compounds of the other chemical elements combined except those of hydrogen (because almost all organic compounds contain hydrogen as well"
It's also abundant in the universe.

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  # 996569 28-Feb-2014 18:27
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Geektastic:
Klipspringer:
KiwiNZ: What stops many from accepting there maybe life out there in infinity and beyond?

The belief that we are still the centre of the universe.


I'm all for believing that the possibility exists. But I like evidence before I just take on the "follow the heard" mentality.

As for this thread. The possibilty exists that there could be other life in the universe. But where we are in this space of time, the answer is inconclusive. You cant prove a negative. You can't proove that something does NOT exist. Its like trying to proove that there are no ants in your backyard, you can however prove that there are some. The answer is therefore inconclusive until its been proven different. Until then though, there can be no correct, incorrect comments, opinions or theories abnout it.

Just like the earth was flat theory.


If I douse my yard with ant killer, I can prove there are none...!


But u can't prove they all gone and not a single one exists in your backyard. You can however say they possibly all gone. Would you put money on your assumption that they all gone? If I find an ant I can prove u wrong. But u can never prove I'm wrong no matter how hard u try.

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  # 996584 28-Feb-2014 18:34
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No new matter can be formed


You wrong there. Matter is formed all the time. If this was not the case the universe would not be expanding.


No-one has proved that the universe is expanding


Direct observation says it is.


There cant have been direct observation for two reasons - firstly, the universe is too big to observe and secondly, we would need to be able to see the edge - which is too far away.  What we can say, is that our bit of the universe is moving around a bit - which may look like it is expanding or then again, if viewed from somewhere else in the universe may appear not to be expanding.






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  # 996585 28-Feb-2014 18:37
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JayTaicho: Apologies if this video has been posted already. I love this explanation.


well try this video. she actually changed the official lyrics to 13.7 billion light years from the edge based on scientific evidence that geekzone-scientists cautiously half believe





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bazzer:
tdgeek: Is the rest of the universe made up of what our known sector is? I assume so as it all came from the Big Bang theory. There are not that many elements, they should exist everywhere, so I feel the criteria to create bilogical carbon based substances from a chemical reaction of existing elements and other factrors (water, electricity) should be the same as it was for Earth.

To me it comes down to what factors does Earth have, that a life supporting planet has? And whats the odds? Low I feel but we are here due to science and biology, and a number of factors met. It can happen elsewhere too, even to the point of sustaning like for millions of years to allow complex organisms, then what we term as intelligent life

Why are you so preoccupied with Carbon? What is so special about that that it makes what you want to call "life"?


Preoccupied? I am contributing, if thats ok. However, in answer to your question, I look at the possibility of life not through some magic, or God, or life just happened somehow. So I favour a chemical reaction of existing elements that exist everywhere in the Universe. And what I have seen an many docos, it makes a lot of sense. 

 
 
 
 


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  # 996588 28-Feb-2014 18:42
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Beautiful discussion folks, well done for holding this far without calling people names.

While discussing the origins is a very important thing, the question from the OP remains open and no answers to that in the last six or so pages: "Is there life elsewhere in the Universe?"

While determining HOW life came to be it is still not the topic. So back on topic would be great.






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  # 996590 28-Feb-2014 18:45
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well the answer is easy. nobody really knows. moving along?




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  # 996594 28-Feb-2014 18:57
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joker97: well the answer is easy. nobody really knows. moving along?


If you an athiest the answer has to be no. I'm stumped though that most people here say they believe life may exist outside our planet. But then we probably have no atheists on this forum ;-)

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  # 996597 28-Feb-2014 19:07
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Klipspringer:
joker97: well the answer is easy. nobody really knows. moving along?


If you an athiest the answer has to be no. I'm stumped though that most people here say they believe life may exist outside our planet. But then we probably have no atheists on this forum ;-)


What? This statement makes no sense. You can be an atheist and believe there's life in other planets. 

On the other hand, I know a lot of religious people who says life in other planets is impossible because God created man on Earth and that's it, since there's nothing else in the book saying anything about other planets.







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  # 996599 28-Feb-2014 19:18
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freitasm:  You can be an atheist and believe there's life in other planets. 

On the other hand, I know a lot of religious people who says life in other planets is impossible because God created man on Earth and that's it, since there's nothing else in the book saying anything about other planets.



Really? care to explain?

If you believe there could be life on other planets, life that maybe formed long before our time, you treading very close to religion. Maybe this life is more advanced than us? Maybe they created us? Or we are Gods ourselves who will one day create our own planet? 

Any atheist who believes in possible alien life is contradicting themselves? surely.



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  # 996600 28-Feb-2014 19:18
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freitasm: Beautiful discussion folks, well done for holding this far without calling people names.

While discussing the origins is a very important thing, the question from the OP remains open and no answers to that in the last six or so pages: "Is there life elsewhere in the Universe?"


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Actually, I do believe there is a link to the discussion.   If we look at Path Integration theory proposed by Richard Feynman, and the Hartle-Hawking model of the wave theory of the creation of the universe.  If the creation followed all possible creation paths then theoretically a similar theory would imply that all possible permutations of life might exist at a very rough guess.




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Interesting short read about an exoplanet

http://www.space.com/24128-kepler-22b.html

The question is that we are discovering more and more potential planets that are similar to Earth. Can we say that of all of these warm, rocky planets, that we are the only one that made it work? Was making Earth work super lucky, or was it just down to plain laws of physics and chemistry?

It's not about aliens, although we have evolved from single celled organisms to a world of thousands of evolved species, I cannot see why another location cannot do a similar evolution. Are we luck or are we the result of physics and chemistry ?

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Klipspringer:
freitasm:  You can be an atheist and believe there's life in other planets. 

On the other hand, I know a lot of religious people who says life in other planets is impossible because God created man on Earth and that's it, since there's nothing else in the book saying anything about other planets.



Really? care to explain?

If you believe there could be life on other planets, life that maybe formed long before our time, you treading very close to religion. Maybe this life is more advanced than us? Maybe they created us? Or we are Gods ourselves who will one day create our own planet? 

Any atheist who believes in possible alien life is contradicting themselves? surely.




I think you are grasping here. Believing in life outside Earth does not contradict atheism and at the same time is in now way confirmation of a God. 







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