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  # 1025056 14-Apr-2014 18:13
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SaltyNZ:

The taxpayer should pay for it.



This graph (below) is from the Aussie NBN rollout but it's similar for NZ I imagine... 100% coverage is financially insane. 

As Neil/Talkiet says the line has to be drawn somewhere...

Think of it this way if you're on tank water you probably shouldn't expect fixed line internet.



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  # 1025060 14-Apr-2014 18:23
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Picture. 1000 words. Something about a relationship between the two.

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  # 1026115 16-Apr-2014 11:54
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I haven't seen it referenced in the thread so far but Malcolm Turnbull handled this quite well recently.

http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/malcolm-turnbull-suggests-resident-move-house-for-decent-broadband/story-fnjwncel-1226861253264




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  # 1026196 16-Apr-2014 13:31
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Amosnz: I haven't seen it referenced in the thread so far but Malcolm Turnbull handled this quite well recently.

http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/malcolm-turnbull-suggests-resident-move-house-for-decent-broadband/story-fnjwncel-1226861253264


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For those who are unaware, Malcolm Turnbull is the man who is meant to be responsible for delivering the National Broadband Network to Australia, especially to those who live in a rural area. Just earlier this month he put out a report card for the nation’s broadband connections and promised a new fibre connection to those rural areas worst affected, which seems like the exact type of place that Julia Keady is living.





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  # 1026235 16-Apr-2014 14:42
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Geektastic: 
So in world terms, there is some kind of precedent for governments to force private companies to supply customers regardless of cost.


I would leave this country if those laws came into place.


I'm not sure that would bother anyone in the Beehive though...!





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Geektastic:
TimA:
Geektastic: 
So in world terms, there is some kind of precedent for governments to force private companies to supply customers regardless of cost.


I would leave this country if those laws came into place.


I'm not sure that would bother anyone in the Beehive though...!


This kind of already happens, TSO, and more recently TDL for RBI, many private company's are already forced fund the rural rollout.

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  # 1026240 16-Apr-2014 14:51
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Geektastic: It's interesting.

Not exactly related but sort of, in the UK you can issue a notice to a water company in England & Wales requiring them to use their compulsory purchase powers to lay water and sewage mains across other people's land to your home.

If the notice is valid (i.e. correctly worded) then they MUST comply and they can only charge you a small statutory connection fee, even if the cost runs to hundreds of thousands of pounds.

So in world terms, there is some kind of precedent for governments to force private companies to supply customers regardless of cost.

I'm not suggesting we have that here, just mentioning it as a matter of general interest.


I understand you're not suggesting we should have that here... I however am suggesting it's utterly stupid. (If it's even true, or current)

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It's very true and very current. See the Water Industry Act 1991 which governs all the regulated water and sewage businesses in the UK.

The notices are most commonly used where a developer carries out a new scheme of houses and requires the water company to connect that development to water and sewage. It prevents a landowner of land between the development and the water company main pipes from being able to demand ransom payments in return for allowing the work.





 
 
 
 


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Geektastic: 
It's very true and very current. See the Water Industry Act 1991 which governs all the regulated water and sewage businesses in the UK.

The notices are most commonly used where a developer carries out a new scheme of houses and requires the water company to connect that development to water and sewage. It prevents a landowner of land between the development and the water company main pipes from being able to demand ransom payments in return for allowing the work.


Ah - that's a different thing entirely then... If the costs of actually doing the work are allowed and all it prevents is someone extorting an unreasonable fee for access to or use of the land then that's perfectly reasonable.

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Maybe rbi wireless should have been 4g off the bat like the proposed "Opengate "  instead of old Vodafone 3g tech,  4g would have been more tempting .

 

I'm in a area of 200+ homes and on a congested Conklin WTI/A and no sign of a fttn cabinet upgrade , Chorus  wants $45'000+gst for some sort of a upgrade.
The cabinet should have been upgraded  back in 2012 instead of the  Rbi wireless tower we  now have that nobody is using, I guess due to expensive installs , low data caps , and higher latency  and the fact we are all fixed line customers. I guess we will keep waiting for that cabinet upgrade that Telecom mentioned years ago using the 24 pair fibre cable they installed back in 2010 for it .

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Axeman480: Maybe rbi wireless should have been 4g off the bat like the proposed "Opengate "  instead of old Vodafone 3g tech,  4g would have been more tempting . I'm in a area of 200+ homes and on a congested Conklin WTI/A and no sign of a fttn cabinet upgrade , Chorus  wants $45'000+gst for some sort of a upgrade.
The cabinet should have been upgraded  back in 2012 instead of the  Rbi wireless tower we  now have that nobody is using, I guess due to expensive installs , low data caps , and higher latency  and the fact we are all fixed line customers. I guess we will keep waiting for that cabinet upgrade that Telecom mentioned years ago using the 24 pair fibre cable they installed back in 2010 for it .


OpenGate would have been a terrible solution - legacy WiMAX technology with no roadmap? Oh please...

RBI will use LTE - but at present that's not an option because there are b) no live LTE 700 network and b) no devices available (HTC is the first and only handset to support 700Mhz APC) but fixed devices supporting this band are a key development as they're also needed for Australia.

The future for RBI is looking very bright with 700Mhz LTE-A and carrier aggregation. The main issue is one of pricing, but that's something the Commerce Commission need to address since it's a regulated product.


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  # 1026554 17-Apr-2014 07:38
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Axeman480: Maybe rbi wireless should have been 4g off the bat like the proposed "Opengate "  instead of old Vodafone 3g tech,  4g would have been more tempting .
I'm in a area of 200+ homes and on a congested Conklin WTI/A and no sign of a fttn cabinet upgrade , Chorus  wants $45'000+gst for some sort of a upgrade.
The cabinet should have been upgraded  back in 2012 instead of the  Rbi wireless tower we  now have that nobody is using, I guess due to expensive installs , low data caps , and higher latency  and the fact we are all fixed line customers. I guess we will keep waiting for that cabinet upgrade that Telecom mentioned years ago using the 24 pair fibre cable they installed back in 2010 for it .


You reckon no one is using the RBI site would you like to put a bet on that?

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  # 1026701 17-Apr-2014 10:09
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Axeman480: Maybe rbi wireless should have been 4g off the bat like the proposed "Opengate "  instead of old Vodafone 3g tech,  4g would have been more tempting . I'm in a area of 200+ homes and on a congested Conklin WTI/A and no sign of a fttn cabinet upgrade , Chorus  wants $45'000+gst for some sort of a upgrade.
The cabinet should have been upgraded  back in 2012 instead of the  Rbi wireless tower we  now have that nobody is using, I guess due to expensive installs , low data caps , and higher latency  and the fact we are all fixed line customers. I guess we will keep waiting for that cabinet upgrade that Telecom mentioned years ago using the 24 pair fibre cable they installed back in 2010 for it .


OpenGate would have been a terrible solution - legacy WiMAX technology with no roadmap? Oh please...

RBI will use LTE - but at present that's not an option because there are b) no live LTE 700 network and b) no devices available (HTC is the first and only handset to support 700Mhz APC) but fixed devices supporting this band are a key development as they're also needed for Australia.

The future for RBI is looking very bright with 700Mhz LTE-A and carrier aggregation. The main issue is one of pricing, but that's something the Commerce Commission need to address since it's a regulated product.

You must be talking about Woosh and Kordia and the over-hyped under-performing WiMax technology that gave fixed wireless services a bad name.
Opengate is (Kordia and Woosh Wireless) and FX Networks The OpenGate: FX consortium was offering 4G LTE 70 MHz for there RBI solution.]

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Axeman480: Maybe rbi wireless should have been 4g off the bat like the proposed "Opengate "  instead of old Vodafone 3g tech,  4g would have been more tempting .
I'm in a area of 200+ homes and on a congested Conklin WTI/A and no sign of a fttn cabinet upgrade , Chorus  wants $45'000+gst for some sort of a upgrade.
The cabinet should have been upgraded  back in 2012 instead of the  Rbi wireless tower we  now have that nobody is using, I guess due to expensive installs , low data caps , and higher latency  and the fact we are all fixed line customers. I guess we will keep waiting for that cabinet upgrade that Telecom mentioned years ago using the 24 pair fibre cable they installed back in 2010 for it .


You reckon no one is using the RBI site would you like to put a bet on that?
Well not really a betting man myself but would be very interested to know if any household is using the very expensive tower for RBI wireless at the top of  Reservoir Road, Warrington, Dunedin can you please find out .
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Think of it this way if you're on tank water you probably shouldn't expect fixed line internet.


Most people on tank or bore water would already have fixed line internet. Problems are going to arise when UFB is predominant in cities. Inevitably, services tend to be tailored for the main sector of the market and those single figure connections may become marginal in modern communications. Current rural population is about 14% although many rurals are also included in city population figures.

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  # 1026768 17-Apr-2014 11:00
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Think of it this way if you're on tank water you probably shouldn't expect fixed line internet.


Most people on tank or bore water would already have fixed line internet. Problems are going to arise when UFB is predominant in cities. Inevitably, services tend to be tailored for the main sector of the market and those single figure connections may become marginal in modern communications. Current rural population is about 14% although many rurals are also included in city population figures.


I'm on tank water. 500m closer to Warkworth and I would still be on tank water, but I would not be rural.




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