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  # 1026814 17-Apr-2014 12:12
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Also, I don't know why you'd be holding up Malcolm Turnbull as a model of how we should run our country. Calling Malcolm Turnbull a shining example of national leadership is like calling Charles Manson a role model for family planning. Remember this guy? Malcolm Turnbull is the kind of Chardonnay-set rich p***k who makes him look like a Salvation Army street care worker.




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  # 1026847 17-Apr-2014 13:14
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Axeman480:
You must be talking about Woosh and Kordia and the over-hyped under-performing WiMax technology that gave fixed wireless services a bad name.
Opengate is (Kordia and Woosh Wireless) and FX Networks The OpenGate: FX consortium was offering 4G LTE 70 MHz for there RBI solution.]


Are you sure? I'm talking about the Kordia/FX/Woosh RBI solution that from memory was planning to to use 802.16e in their combined 70Mhz of 2.3Ghz spectrum.

There was no 2.3Ghz LTE solution when Kordia proposed their solution (unlike now there 2.3GHz is a ratified LTE band and has a live network in Australia). They spent a lot of time looking at technology solutions with vividwireless from Aussie.




 
 
 
 


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Even it is a very expensive tower installed at Warrington you can be sure it was much cheaper to build than a fibre connection to the households in the area, plus it has the advantage of built in cell coverage AND the ability to host the other two cellular providers. 
Even if RBI takeup is still relatively low, its also quite low in the UFB areas served by fibre. That will change. Everyone wants more data faster than before and the RBI and UFB project have been built looking ahead, not backwards or even at today. 
Personally I think RBI over 3G and eventually 4G was a sensible move. All the other technologies evaulated for use in the RBI were or are orphans. Imagine the howling and gnashing of teeth if the govt backed something that ended up like AirSpan. At least VF is spoiled for choice for 3G and 4G equipment manufacturers which would not be the case if they used other technologies.
Don't underestimate the advantage of using a lower frequency than the 2Ghz or 5Ghz bands. Many of our RBI customers are not CLOS to the RBI tower but work really well just the same. This would not be the case with higher frequency technologies because claims 2.4Ghz equipment can work satisfactorily with obstacles in the signal path tend to be the triumph of hope over experience and a denial of physics.

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  # 1027017 17-Apr-2014 17:04
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gwh: Even it is a very expensive tower installed at Warrington you can be sure it was much cheaper to build than a fibre connection to the households in the area, plus it has the advantage of built in cell coverage AND the ability to host the other two cellular providers. 
Even if RBI takeup is still relatively low, its also quite low in the UFB areas served by fibre. That will change. Everyone wants more data faster than before and the RBI and UFB project have been built looking ahead, not backwards or even at today. 
Personally I think RBI over 3G and eventually 4G was a sensible move. All the other technologies evaulated for use in the RBI were or are orphans. Imagine the howling and gnashing of teeth if the govt backed something that ended up like AirSpan. At least VF is spoiled for choice for 3G and 4G equipment manufacturers which would not be the case if they used other technologies.
Don't underestimate the advantage of using a lower frequency than the 2Ghz or 5Ghz bands. Many of our RBI customers are not CLOS to the RBI tower but work really well just the same. This would not be the case with higher frequency technologies because claims 2.4Ghz equipment can work satisfactorily with obstacles in the signal path tend to be the triumph of hope over experience and a denial of physics.


Those towers cost  between $300,000 and $500,000 , All we were after was the rbi to finish off what Telecom started and install a fttn cabinet upgrade to service the existing and future fixed line customers at cost of about $150,000 using the fibre cable installed back in 2010  across Blueskin Bay that goes back too the Waitati exchange.

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  # 1027021 17-Apr-2014 17:11
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sbiddle:
Axeman480:
You must be talking about Woosh and Kordia and the over-hyped under-performing WiMax technology that gave fixed wireless services a bad name.
Opengate is (Kordia and Woosh Wireless) and FX Networks The OpenGate: FX consortium was offering 4G LTE 70 MHz for there RBI solution.]


Are you sure? I'm talking about the Kordia/FX/Woosh RBI solution that from memory was planning to to use 802.16e in their combined 70Mhz of 2.3Ghz spectrum.

There was no 2.3Ghz LTE solution when Kordia proposed their solution (unlike now there 2.3GHz is a ratified LTE band and has a live network in Australia). They spent a lot of time looking at technology solutions with vividwireless from Aussie.




Opengate sounded good on paper and news sites only mentioned it was going to be  4g LTE so that's all I have to go on .

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  # 1027027 17-Apr-2014 17:33
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Axeman480:
gwh: Even it is a very expensive tower installed at Warrington you can be sure it was much cheaper to build than a fibre connection to the households in the area, plus it has the advantage of built in cell coverage AND the ability to host the other two cellular providers. 
Even if RBI takeup is still relatively low, its also quite low in the UFB areas served by fibre. That will change. Everyone wants more data faster than before and the RBI and UFB project have been built looking ahead, not backwards or even at today. 
Personally I think RBI over 3G and eventually 4G was a sensible move. All the other technologies evaulated for use in the RBI were or are orphans. Imagine the howling and gnashing of teeth if the govt backed something that ended up like AirSpan. At least VF is spoiled for choice for 3G and 4G equipment manufacturers which would not be the case if they used other technologies.
Don't underestimate the advantage of using a lower frequency than the 2Ghz or 5Ghz bands. Many of our RBI customers are not CLOS to the RBI tower but work really well just the same. This would not be the case with higher frequency technologies because claims 2.4Ghz equipment can work satisfactorily with obstacles in the signal path tend to be the triumph of hope over experience and a denial of physics.


Those towers cost  between $300,000 and $500,000 , All we were after was the rbi to finish off what Telecom started and install a fttn cabinet upgrade to service the existing and future fixed line customers at cost of about $150,000 using the fibre cable installed back in 2010  across Blueskin Bay that goes back too the Waitati exchange.


And the RBI got in the way, Telecom and Chorus split and Chorus got hammered (in their opinion) by the commerce commission over what they could charge for services to customers so gratefully partnered with Vodafone to provide an exit strategy for them from much of their obligation to rural NZ. If a RBI cabinet installation or upgrade is not planned for your area then the beancounters will have decided that the cost/benefit ratio doesn't support the business case.
Yours is not the only community in this position, Otago along with the rest of NZ if full of communities stranded like this. The local tower doesn't only tick the government's boxes for your area, it also ticks the boxes for servicing adjoining cabinets and communities to yours that a one off spend for relatively few customers off your cabinet can't do. So in the scheme of things $300k-$500k isn't that bad.




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  # 1027124 17-Apr-2014 21:59
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One has to wonder what sort of juice the bean counters are on at times, a cabinet about 2km from our exchange is getting upgraded as part of the RBI, once done 10 farm houses within 800m will get VDSL2.  If they decided to upgrade our exchange I'm sure many of the 300 odd houses and businesses within 800m of our exchange would gladly sign up for VDSL2 instead of putting up with teribly congested evening speeds we suffer with.

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  # 1027132 17-Apr-2014 22:30
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NZtimbo: One has to wonder what sort of juice the bean counters are on at times, a cabinet about 2km from our exchange is getting upgraded as part of the RBI, once done 10 farm houses within 800m will get VDSL2.  If they decided to upgrade our exchange I'm sure many of the 300 odd houses and businesses within 800m of our exchange would gladly sign up for VDSL2 instead of putting up with terribly congested evening speeds we suffer with.

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You'll probably find that there was already Fibre running past the cabinet so wasn't that much of a cost to install compared with potentially having to drill new  having to lay new fibre to the exchange

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  # 1027138 17-Apr-2014 22:39
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Andib:
NZtimbo: One has to wonder what sort of juice the bean counters are on at times, a cabinet about 2km from our exchange is getting upgraded as part of the RBI, once done 10 farm houses within 800m will get VDSL2.  If they decided to upgrade our exchange I'm sure many of the 300 odd houses and businesses within 800m of our exchange would gladly sign up for VDSL2 instead of putting up with terribly congested evening speeds we suffer with.

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You'll probably find that there was already Fibre running past the cabinet so wasn't that much of a cost to install compared with potentially having to drill new  having to lay new fibre to the exchange


From the Bean Counters point of view there is no way they want to upgrade the cabinet, the price they sell UBA or VDSL2 to service providers is exactly the same no matter if the cabinet is congested or brand new. With the current restraints around Chorus financials and it being a public company the business case would be marginal to say the least.

Its very visible where there are waiter cabinets, there is demand for new customers who could be hooked up and they would see an increase in revenue, but in most cases it obviously does not stack up.

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I think I've asked this before, but how many Conklins are there left in the country? Dozens? Hundreds? Thousands?

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quickymart: I think I've asked this before, but how many Conklins are there left in the country? Dozens? Hundreds? Thousands?


I was told some numbers but won't post the actual numbers on here. Right now it's in the hundreds (ie less than 1000) and will remain in the hundreds after RBI is complete.



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sbiddle:
quickymart: I think I've asked this before, but how many Conklins are there left in the country? Dozens? Hundreds? Thousands?


I was told some numbers but won't post the actual numbers on here. Right now it's in the hundreds (ie less than 1000) and will remain in the hundreds after RBI is complete.




So they're not turning them off? Interesting. I'd love to see the take-up of RBI vs. remaining on a Conklin 12 months down the track. Maybe if everyone else goes to RBI my DSL speeds will go back to wire speed again. :-D I can stay there fairly happily until the RBI caps match DSL (or at least, what DSL is now).




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  # 1028929 22-Apr-2014 08:40
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No they're not turning them off - there will be a large number of Conklin's out there.


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sbiddle: No they're not turning them off - there will be a large number of Conklin's out there.


And a lot of spares in case anyone wants to drive their tractor through them :)




Chorus has spent $1.4 billion on making their xDSL broadband network faster and even more now as they are upgrading their rural Conklins. If your still stuck on ADSL or VDSL, why not spend $195 on a master filter install to make sure you are getting the most out of your connection?
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