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  Reply # 1033385 29-Apr-2014 19:49
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driller2000: its not a slanging match, it's a difference of opinion about what is OT and what is not - I tried to walk away once - i will try again....



Its not a slanging match because I haven't resorted to name calling as I respect the GZ forum. If you disagree then that's fine its a forum but name calling isn't required.




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  Reply # 1033591 30-Apr-2014 01:17
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And maybe whilst we're at it, rather than making it illegal they just make normal every day electric puha legal because god knows making it illegal has hardly solved the many problems that exist.




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  Reply # 1033702 30-Apr-2014 09:41
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As someone who has been -highly- addicted to this stuff in the past, I can say that it is definitely a good thing these things are being taken off shelves.

I have seen first hand how it affected my life. I had made changes to my lifestyle which meant I was basically using 24/7 when I had any spare time. Thankfully I was strong enough to never use at/during/before work, but as soon as work was over it was on. I was sharing a flat with a friend who was also highly addicted. On the average day we would consume around 2 grams each, every afternoon of the weekday. Weekends could be tough, especially if we ran out when the shops weren't open. Another friend would sometimes come around with another 4 grams and we would usually demolish that as a group in an afternoon too.

As for my friend, it cost him the custody of his child, and his relationship with his partner multiple times. Eventually cost me my job after I started becoming less and less interested in personal hygiene, responsibilities, and started doing everything I could to support my habit e.g borrowing money from family and friends, of which I was never able to pay back because of course any money I did have went straight to the local legal high store.

While I did not experience any of the more well known side effects on that particular set of products, vomiting, unable to eat, etc (This was back when K2 was still available) the current set of products has had that effect on me more than once. I have been in states of extreme paranoia, to the point where I thought the household appliances were talking to me, verbally bashing me for using yet again.

To some degree I am still addicted, I usually have a small amount near me at all times but nowhere near the amount I would have had previously. 

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  Reply # 1033763 30-Apr-2014 10:19
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kawaii: And maybe whilst we're at it, rather than making it illegal they just make normal every day electric puha legal because god knows making it illegal has hardly solved the many problems that exist.


What's an electric puha?!





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  Reply # 1033790 30-Apr-2014 10:28
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driller2000: i am also of the view the decision is largely political - based on predominantly anecdotal evidence and a desire to be SEEN to be doing something

that said - implementing the piece of the Psychoactive Substances Act now which requires synthetic drug manufacturers to prove their drugs were low-risk before they could be sold makes sense to me as it is the key benefit the Act brings

it does however amuse me the double standard applied to alcohol and cigarettes given the endless harm and deaths they cause - but meh - what is acceptable and what is not is rarely based on evidence or logic

final comment - in my world - adults should be able to do what ever they want to themselves as long as it ain't hurting anyone else - whether that be booze / smokes / fast food / fast cars / illicit drugs / legal highs etc etc

my body / my life / my choice




But life is full of political decisions, is it not?

For example in firearms law, two firearms which fire the same ammunition can be either restricted or unrestricted simply depending on what kind of grip you put on, as if the handle makes it in any way more lethal.

Ditto two identical pocket knives - put a spring in one to open the blade for you and bingo - illegal, despite being exactly the same in every other way as the other one.

Ditto why should it be legal to buy and consume vodka in any amount but illegal to smoke a joint?

It's all politics really.





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  Reply # 1033877 30-Apr-2014 11:52
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Geektastic:
kawaii: And maybe whilst we're at it, rather than making it illegal they just make normal every day electric puha legal because god knows making it illegal has hardly solved the many problems that exist.


What's an electric puha?!


It's a slang term for Cannabis.

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  Reply # 1033907 30-Apr-2014 12:12
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and this is puha:

http://www.vegetables.co.nz/select_a_vegetable/puha.asp



At some point on your travels you will see people gathering it from near waterways or close to a roadside when out driving.

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  Reply # 1033950 30-Apr-2014 13:00
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Kapzlock:
Geektastic:
kawaii: And maybe whilst we're at it, rather than making it illegal they just make normal every day electric puha legal because god knows making it illegal has hardly solved the many problems that exist.


What's an electric puha?!


It's a slang term for Cannabis.


Oh, OK. Sounds like a musical instrument! 

"And tonight on the electric Puha, John Dylan!"





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  Reply # 1035013 1-May-2014 18:37
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NzHerald reports several brands removed from shelves today after advice from national poisons centre:

"Retailers can no longer sell the Apocalypse, Outbreak, WTF, Blueberry Crush, White Rhino and Lemon Grass products."

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