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  Reply # 1061041 7-Jun-2014 19:51
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gehenna: ...whereas manners are universal.

Do you mean specific behaviours? Or the more general tendency to a degree of awareness of hygiene, co-operation/compromise and group traditions?


Nope, I just mean being nice to people.



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  Reply # 1061062 7-Jun-2014 21:23
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Do you bow?


Yes


Would you say it's a universal requirement? And how low do you go?

In the country I live it is a requirement and how low you go depends on the situation.
Regular greeting is almost just a head nod while thanking someone for something exceptional they have done for you would be 90 degrees.


I was going to say it entirely depends on who I am meeting and in what situation Japan, Korea and the UK are different. I am not an expert but I was taught the depth of the bow in Asian countries is to do with the respect shown and the age of the person you are meeting. In the you only bow when meeting royalty and now a days it is deemed un necessary but respectful to do so. But it is merely a slight bow as if acknowledging the person. In Australia or Texas a tap of the finger to the peak of your hat whilst clicking ones teeth and winking is the way to go.




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  Reply # 1061120 7-Jun-2014 23:56
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I always use them... in emails, IM, bug reports, everywhere.

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  Reply # 1061234 8-Jun-2014 13:27
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There is never an excuse or reason to not use manners, far too many people are ignorant when it comes to manners, not just the use of Please and Thank You either mind you...

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  Reply # 1061239 8-Jun-2014 13:47
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may well be just the was society is going with more and more online expecting they just ask and no need to say please or thankyou especially as they aren't face to face. I 'm guessing it is also a generational thing and also a way you are brought up, lets face it we are in the cycle of entitlement, hopefully it ends sooner rather than later.




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It is my experience that a lot of people seem to think that they can be rude sometimes very rude online. I have witnessed many examples on this and other Forums.




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^Therein lies the argument for whether people should have to use their real name online or not.  The theory being if you're identifiable you'll be less inclined to act like a douchebag.  

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  Reply # 1061312 8-Jun-2014 16:47
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gehenna: ^Therein lies the argument for whether people should have to use their real name online or not.  The theory being if you're identifiable you'll be less inclined to act like a douchebag.  

yeah nah
I belive its both contextural, and a matter of how you were taught (or choose) to show respect.

In these, and other, forums it cuts both ways. I may please you by being respectful because I value your knowledge or opinion. Equally if I feel some rapport within the thread postings I may use more familiar language, knowing who anyone is probably wouldn't change that for me.

And I'll thankyou to remember that you can use polite language to be quite nasty too.
I suspect things haven't really changed as much we think.... its more the medium than the context. And language is an evolutionary thing, feck it.



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  Reply # 1061520 8-Jun-2014 22:03
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If ever you want to experience the decline of society go into online sales. It totally baffles me what people are prepared to say in a email when they have never met me or know who or what I am. I have dealt with thousands of online sales emails. I have incredible accusations made when goods have not turned up when expected. The main reason was usually people not referencing payments. The customer can get incredibly belligerent until you point out they haven't paid. Then they excuse it with "oh I thought the payment went through, bloody banks!"

People have said to me "Oh well that's the service industry you have to expect that sort of thing" B**** If it was verbalized in a shop they would be arrested! online it seems its ok. Having always run my own businesss i have the ability to refus them service and I do Lifes to short and $3 worth of profit on  a lead doesn't buy you the right to abuse me.




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  Reply # 1061584 9-Jun-2014 05:10
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The use of manners is culturally dependent. 

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  Reply # 1062032 9-Jun-2014 18:05
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gehenna: whereas manners are universal.


No, they are not. If you look at what expected manners are for the UK and NZ I think you will find fairly big differences.

Even more so if you compare where I am from (Norway) with the UK. People from the UK must think norwegians are the rudest bunch. We don't say please a lot (especially not when buying stuff) and thank you is pretty seldom too. 

Its something I am trying to unlearn for being a good Kiwi. So please don't say manners are universal. Thank you ;)




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