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Reply # 1063456 11-Jun-2014 15:50
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Lyderies: Argh, i see, i would have thought it was safer to have children sitting and adults standing


Why, Kids bounce much better than us old fogies in the event of a sudden stop :)

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  Reply # 1063461 11-Jun-2014 16:00
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wellygary:
Lyderies:
mattwnz: lthough you do still have child fares,  on trains and buses. Although they are supposed to stand up and give their seat to an adult if they are standing, which I guess is becuase adults are paying full fare. That is not really possible on a plane. 


Who said this? I have never seen this rule anywhere? 


On Wellington trains  

http://www.tranzmetro.co.nz/Detail.aspx?ID=6ff7cb57-88cc-4610-8df6-4d9cc589d7bc

School term passes School term passes are available to full-time primary and secondary school students for travel between school and the station nearest their home. School students without a pass are required to pay a child fare.   School Term ticket is available only between the stations specified, which are the stations nearest the holder’s residence and school, for one weekday return journey for the purpose of attending school.

 

  • Homeward journey to commence before 7.00pm
  • The ticket is NOT available for a break of journey
  • Holders must not occupy seats while adults are standing
  • Term Passes are not transferable and not refundable
On Wellington Buses
http://www.nzbus.co.nz/terms-and-conditions-gowellington
3.3 Any Passenger travelling on a child fare must stand if an adult requires a seat.




Wow, Wellington have gone as far as pulling that in the Ts and Cs?  I know on the Auckland Trains I've had school kids offer me their seats etc when I've stood on a packed train/bus, I've declined citing that "I've been sitting all day, I don't mind standing for a bit thanks", I'd hate to see a T.I. come round and get such a kid in trouble because I as a full paying fare declined to sit!

As for air travel, I don't think the weight really has much to do with it as the arguments of "Children have less checked luggage", "Children can just use carry-on", "Children don't need the same on-board services" are negated by the "Seat+?" options that Air NZ introduced ages ago.  Qantas may be the only ones that potentially offer a child fare because they are the only (as I recall) trans-tasman "all fares are full service" operator.

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  Reply # 1063488 11-Jun-2014 16:25
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Domestic child fares were removed a few months back I think. I recall seeing a note pointing this out when I checked available flights some time around February/March/April from memory.

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  Reply # 1063525 11-Jun-2014 17:08
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Wish the had the child fare rule on public transport in Melbourne. School kids hog the seats most morning on trams/trains. I've even seen a couple of them push past frail older people to beat them to an empty seat




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  Reply # 1063529 11-Jun-2014 17:22
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Children do use less fuel to fly long haul because they're lighter. The child discount doesn't apply to over 12s because they weigh more.

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  Reply # 1063531 11-Jun-2014 17:26
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wellygary:
Lyderies:
mattwnz: lthough you do still have child fares,  on trains and buses. Although they are supposed to stand up and give their seat to an adult if they are standing, which I guess is becuase adults are paying full fare. That is not really possible on a plane. 


Who said this? I have never seen this rule anywhere? 


On Wellington trains  

http://www.tranzmetro.co.nz/Detail.aspx?ID=6ff7cb57-88cc-4610-8df6-4d9cc589d7bc

School term passes School term passes are available to full-time primary and secondary school students for travel between school and the station nearest their home. School students without a pass are required to pay a child fare.   School Term ticket is available only between the stations specified, which are the stations nearest the holder’s residence and school, for one weekday return journey for the purpose of attending school.

 

  • Homeward journey to commence before 7.00pm
  • The ticket is NOT available for a break of journey
  • Holders must not occupy seats while adults are standing
  • Term Passes are not transferable and not refundable
On Wellington Buses
http://www.nzbus.co.nz/terms-and-conditions-gowellington
3.3 Any Passenger travelling on a child fare must stand if an adult requires a seat.




I am a little surprised they do have this policy still, in the PC world we now live in.

But it is common courtesy for a child to give an adult their seat, especially if the adult is elderly. I recall when I was at school, this was one of the rules too.

I have seen children being told by other adults to let an elderly person sit in their place on wellingotn buses, but children shouldn't need to be asked.

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  Reply # 1063538 11-Jun-2014 17:58
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I'm actually mad at the NZ govt for not making $19 notes

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  Reply # 1063541 11-Jun-2014 18:08
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nigelj:
wellygary:
Lyderies:
mattwnz: lthough you do still have child fares,  on trains and buses. Although they are supposed to stand up and give their seat to an adult if they are standing, which I guess is becuase adults are paying full fare. That is not really possible on a plane. 


Who said this? I have never seen this rule anywhere? 


On Wellington trains  

http://www.tranzmetro.co.nz/Detail.aspx?ID=6ff7cb57-88cc-4610-8df6-4d9cc589d7bc

School term passes School term passes are available to full-time primary and secondary school students for travel between school and the station nearest their home. School students without a pass are required to pay a child fare.   School Term ticket is available only between the stations specified, which are the stations nearest the holder’s residence and school, for one weekday return journey for the purpose of attending school.

 

  • Homeward journey to commence before 7.00pm
  • The ticket is NOT available for a break of journey
  • Holders must not occupy seats while adults are standing
  • Term Passes are not transferable and not refundable
On Wellington Buses
http://www.nzbus.co.nz/terms-and-conditions-gowellington
3.3 Any Passenger travelling on a child fare must stand if an adult requires a seat.




Wow, Wellington have gone as far as pulling that in the Ts and Cs?  I know on the Auckland Trains I've had school kids offer me their seats etc when I've stood on a packed train/bus, I've declined citing that "I've been sitting all day, I don't mind standing for a bit thanks", I'd hate to see a T.I. come round and get such a kid in trouble because I as a full paying fare declined to sit!



This policy has been in place for over a decade on both trains and buses and for any regular user of the public transport system in Wellington it isn't news.  However in saying that when I used the systems I would give my seat to younger children where required purely for safety reasons they not as stable as older people are so I'd rather have them seated.

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  Reply # 1063622 11-Jun-2014 20:21
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Back to original topic, not wanting to come across brazen or state the obvious but competitors are still child friendly 

http://www.jetstar.com/nz/en/planning-and-booking/travelling-with-kids/bookings-for-kids


I've mentioned before that consumer sovereignty rules - vote with your wallet if you believe that there is justifications for kids to have reduced fares and don't fly Air NZ - and perhaps do some people a favour of a child free flight

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  Reply # 1063631 11-Jun-2014 20:39
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go book a flight with jetstar and see how much it costs for a child :) same price as an adult when i checked Auckland to chch and Auckland to Sydney (the airport fair was cheaper for the child on the way back from aus)

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  Reply # 1063632 11-Jun-2014 20:49
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khull: Back to original topic, not wanting to come across brazen or state the obvious but competitors are still child friendly 

http://www.jetstar.com/nz/en/planning-and-booking/travelling-with-kids/bookings-for-kids


I've mentioned before that consumer sovereignty rules - vote with your wallet if you believe that there is justifications for kids to have reduced fares and don't fly Air NZ - and perhaps do some people a favour of a child free flight


Jetstar do not offer child fares - the pricing is exactly the same as an adult (which is exactly how Air NZ works).



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  Reply # 1063633 11-Jun-2014 20:49
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khull: Back to original topic, not wanting to come across brazen or state the obvious but competitors are still child friendly 

http://www.jetstar.com/nz/en/planning-and-booking/travelling-with-kids/bookings-for-kids


I've mentioned before that consumer sovereignty rules - vote with your wallet if you believe that there is justifications for kids to have reduced fares and don't fly Air NZ - and perhaps do some people a favour of a child free flight


Good luck actually getting a child fare out of Jetstar. I'll stick to AirNZ, sorry. Gave Jetstar a few opportunities and they consistently failed in my experience.




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  Reply # 1063634 11-Jun-2014 20:54
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^^^ same boat as you

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  Reply # 1063762 11-Jun-2014 23:33
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child fares have been gone on domestic for a loooong time. There were no child fares in jan when I booked akl-samoa but I think there was a couple of years back when I booked AKL-Rarotonga.
Kids have always been able to take carseat and buggy/pram for free (over and above luggage allowance) though which is pretty nice. http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/travelling-with-children

Don't see why airlines should offer child fares.  Much prefer the "pay for the service" model instead (seat/seat+bag/etc).  Cheaper child fares plus extra luggage allowance for kids (carseat etc) just bumps the cost of the ticket for all other passengers.  I travel once a year (if at all) with the kids, but several times a year (or month) for business.  Would prefer the business travel was cheaper so I can afford more trips, than have the child fares cheaper for a single trip. 




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  Reply # 1063765 11-Jun-2014 23:39
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Wellington have made kids stand for adults for a long time.. was the case when I first moved to Welly as a teen in the early 90's, and still applies to this day. That being said we're talking school aged kids here. My 3 and 4 year old have never been made to stand (and they travel free too)




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