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  Reply # 1073605 24-Jun-2014 17:59
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KiwiNZ:
Yabanize:
nathan: does anyone really think this multi-millionaire convicted criminal would be donating $3.25M to his Internet Party if he wasn't facing extradition


Why isnt he allowed to put money into a party he started? He also put 600k into a fireworks display in Auckland a few years ago, Last years Rythem and vines fireworks, Also put money into christchurch earthquake and 50k or something in to christchurch earthquake appeal

As for convictions: When applying for residency, Dotcom openly stated he had convictions from his teens and 20s for insider trading and computer hacking. The convictions no longer exist - they were wiped from Germany's system under a similar law to our "clean slate" legislation. 

The trial about megaupload and piracy is still ongoing


Being cleansed does not mean they never happened.


Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniac were criminals in their past also...

 

 

Now. About the Insider trading:

From http://www.3news.co.nz/At-A-Glance-Is-Kim-Dotcom-a-criminal/tabid/1607/articleID/349309/Default.aspx

 

It was a failing retail site LetsBuyIt.com which led to Dotcom's next brush with the law. Dotcom bought €375,000 of shares in the site in 2001, and announced he'd be putting in another €50 million, pushing up the share price.

 

He then sold out, making an estimated €1.5 million in profit – but was charged with insider trading.

 

 

 

Dotcom fled to Asia, where he was arrested in Thailand and deported home. After spending five months in jail, he again received a suspended sentence, and went back to Asia – this time Hong Kong.

 

In 2011 Dotcom said the insider trading charges were a "joke", and he had in fact saved more than 100 jobs.

 

He portrays himself as a "scapegoat" for the bursting of the dotcom-bubble, and says he was offered a plea bargain and took it.

 

"Since when is the person that saves a company, pays the company money in exchange for shares and buys additional shares (for the same price) on the open market an insider trader?" he told Torrentfreak.

 

"I took the deal and moved on with my life instead of spending the next few years in court rooms defending my innocence. You can't imagine the rape party the German media had with me."

 

Insider trading was not a crime in Germany until the mid-1990s, and it's been suggested Dotcom may not have been aware of the law in 2001.

 


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  Reply # 1073651 24-Jun-2014 19:05
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Although not relevant were Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak actually convicted of crimes?




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  Reply # 1073668 24-Jun-2014 19:42
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I joined the Internet Party and paid them the $$ and then when they joined with Mana and called themselves Internet Mana.. I had to join again and pay them more $$.. I said no. so I'm a member of a defunct political party :-( and I won't get my $$ back.





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  Reply # 1073670 24-Jun-2014 19:44
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Yabanize: 

Why isnt he allowed to put money into a party he started? He also put 600k into a fireworks display in Auckland a few years ago, Last years Rythem and vines fireworks, Also put money into christchurch earthquake and 50k or something in to christchurch earthquake appeal

As for convictions: When applying for residency, Dotcom openly stated he had convictions from his teens and 20s for insider trading and computer hacking. The convictions no longer exist - they were wiped from Germany's system under a similar law to our "clean slate" legislation. 

The trial about megaupload and piracy is still ongoing


Have you also bought his album?

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  Reply # 1073676 24-Jun-2014 19:59
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Yabanize: 

Why isnt he allowed to put money into a party he started? He also put 600k into a fireworks display in Auckland a few years ago, Last years Rythem and vines fireworks, Also put money into christchurch earthquake and 50k or something in to christchurch earthquake appeal

As for convictions: When applying for residency, Dotcom openly stated he had convictions from his teens and 20s for insider trading and computer hacking. The convictions no longer exist - they were wiped from Germany's system under a similar law to our "clean slate" legislation. 

The trial about megaupload and piracy is still ongoing


Have you also bought his album?


No, But I plan to, Even though its available to download free from his site, baboom. The idea is that the artists should make their music available for free and you should only pay for it if you like it

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  Reply # 1073678 24-Jun-2014 20:01
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LennonNZ: I joined the Internet Party and paid them the $$ and then when they joined with Mana and called themselves Internet Mana.. I had to join again and pay them more $$.. I said no. so I'm a member of a defunct political party :-( and I won't get my $$ back.






Huh? My understanding is that this is (possibly, ie set up for it to be) a time-limited deal, so neither of these parties is 'defunct' in that sense. After that date it's feasible both parties will continue to exist in their own right. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong (not an invitation I guess I need to make on this site!).

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  Reply # 1073742 24-Jun-2014 21:47
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Yabanize:
nathan: does anyone really think this multi-millionaire convicted criminal would be donating $3.25M to his Internet Party if he wasn't facing extradition


Why isnt he allowed to put money into a party he started? He also put 600k into a fireworks display in Auckland a few years ago, Last years Rythem and vines fireworks, Also put money into christchurch earthquake and 50k or something in to christchurch earthquake appeal

As for convictions: When applying for residency, Dotcom openly stated he had convictions from his teens and 20s for insider trading and computer hacking. The convictions no longer exist - they were wiped from Germany's system under a similar law to our "clean slate" legislation. 

The trial about megaupload and piracy is still ongoing

Of course the convictions still exist, they just don't have to be declared under German law. Yes, he put lots of money forward...tainted money - let's not gloss over how he obtained it in the first place. Wired have a reasonably good reference article.

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  Reply # 1073755 24-Jun-2014 22:07
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Dratsab:
Yabanize:
nathan: does anyone really think this multi-millionaire convicted criminal would be donating $3.25M to his Internet Party if he wasn't facing extradition


Why isnt he allowed to put money into a party he started? He also put 600k into a fireworks display in Auckland a few years ago, Last years Rythem and vines fireworks, Also put money into christchurch earthquake and 50k or something in to christchurch earthquake appeal

As for convictions: When applying for residency, Dotcom openly stated he had convictions from his teens and 20s for insider trading and computer hacking. The convictions no longer exist - they were wiped from Germany's system under a similar law to our "clean slate" legislation. 

The trial about megaupload and piracy is still ongoing

Of course the convictions still exist, they just don't have to be declared under German law. Yes, he put lots of money forward...tainted money - let's not gloss over how he obtained it in the first place. Wired have a reasonably good reference article.


It has not been proven that it is 'tainted money', That is just allegations from the USA Record and Movie industry. If you take a look at http://torrentfreak.com you will see all the other rubbish they are trying to do. Its quite sad how they are trying to freeze all of his assets so he cant defend himself, and also not let him see the evidence they have against him so him and his legal team can build a defence. All cloud storage services have been used for piracy, They just decided to pick on him because he was the biggest despite them honouring the takedown requests required by the law and going above and beyond that to try and keep the MPAA happy. This is why I believe he will win the case.

Innocent until proven guilty.

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  Reply # 1073786 24-Jun-2014 22:47
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You'd think an innocent man would be keen as to get in front of the court ASAP rather than spending millions to stay out of court and drag the whole thing out

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solaybro: Since they are focusing hugely on the internet and how much it costs to customers I thought I would ask people here what your opinion is on them and their policies. They mostly want to cut the price of internet connections in half and provide a a certain amount of data for free. I would be interested to see what the users here who work for ISPs have to say.

Share your view on the IP policies.


They aint going anywhere near my network.
About 20% of the retail cost goes into actually buying upstream data.
So if someone were to say to me
  "cut your retail price by 50% because your upstream cost is going to be cut by 50% it will all work out" 
well it wont because we pay huge fees for things like running vehicles, quad bikes, high site land leases etc which make up more of our expenses than actual data.

Honestly I havent really been following them, but my last semi-informed opinion is this
Hone Halfwit has nothing ideologically common with the internet party.






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  Reply # 1073808 25-Jun-2014 00:01
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nathan: You'd think an innocent man would be keen as to get in front of the court ASAP rather than spending millions to stay out of court and drag the whole thing out


His extradition hearing is next month.

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  Reply # 1073821 25-Jun-2014 00:16
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Getting back to the original question: I think the internet party is an extension of the Big Man's, big ego, continuing to play gullible kiwis like a fiddle.

The fact that they are canabilising the green vote speaks of the impressionability of the people the greens have been attracting up to now.

Cozying up to another party was their only hope to get anyone into parliament. The threshold was set at 5% specifically to keep the mischievous out of politics.

Mana, being the most ironically name party ever, was the only one with low enough integrity to consider courting them. That fact that Sue Bradford quit over it has lifted my formerly low opinion of her. Wisdom has come with age to her.

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Yabanize: 

It has not been proven that it is 'tainted money', That is just allegations from the USA Record and Movie industry. If you take a look at http://torrentfreak.com you will see all the other rubbish they are trying to do. Its quite sad how they are trying to freeze all of his assets so he cant defend himself, and also not let him see the evidence they have against him so him and his legal team can build a defence. All cloud storage services have been used for piracy, They just decided to pick on him because he was the biggest despite them honouring the takedown requests required by the law and going above and beyond that to try and keep the MPAA happy. This is why I believe he will win the case.

Innocent until proven guilty.


Anything else the Record and Movie industry is trying to do has no bearing on whether Dotcom is guilty or not.

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Glassboy:
Yabanize: 

It has not been proven that it is 'tainted money', That is just allegations from the USA Record and Movie industry. If you take a look at http://torrentfreak.com you will see all the other rubbish they are trying to do. Its quite sad how they are trying to freeze all of his assets so he cant defend himself, and also not let him see the evidence they have against him so him and his legal team can build a defence. All cloud storage services have been used for piracy, They just decided to pick on him because he was the biggest despite them honouring the takedown requests required by the law and going above and beyond that to try and keep the MPAA happy. This is why I believe he will win the case.

Innocent until proven guilty.


Anything else the Record and Movie industry is trying to do has no bearing on whether Dotcom is guilty or not.


It has everything to do with if he is guilty or not\

They're more slimey than most drug lords




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Lyderies:
Glassboy:
Yabanize: 

It has not been proven that it is 'tainted money', That is just allegations from the USA Record and Movie industry. If you take a look at http://torrentfreak.com you will see all the other rubbish they are trying to do. Its quite sad how they are trying to freeze all of his assets so he cant defend himself, and also not let him see the evidence they have against him so him and his legal team can build a defence. All cloud storage services have been used for piracy, They just decided to pick on him because he was the biggest despite them honouring the takedown requests required by the law and going above and beyond that to try and keep the MPAA happy. This is why I believe he will win the case.

Innocent until proven guilty.


Anything else the Record and Movie industry is trying to do has no bearing on whether Dotcom is guilty or not.


It has everything to do with if he is guilty or not\

They're more slimey than most drug lords


Why?




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 It's our only home, lets clean it up then...

 

Take My Advice, Pull Down Your Pants And Slide On The Ice!

 

 


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