Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.
Filter this topic showing only the reply marked as answer View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic
1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15
834 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 260

Trusted

  Reply # 1072115 22-Jun-2014 17:25
Send private message

alasta:
Fred99: As for me - I don't care if you or anybody else want to marry your cat.  It's none of my business - and should certainly not be any business of government.


Good. This vindicates my view that marriage should not be administered by the state, and hence the entire same sex marriage debate was moot.


Marriage is an economic activity, like forming a company, of course it should be administered by the state.

4005 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 698

Trusted
Subscriber

  Reply # 1072123 22-Jun-2014 17:53
One person supports this post
Send private message

Glassboy:
alasta: Good. This vindicates my view that marriage should not be administered by the state, and hence the entire same sex marriage debate was moot.


Marriage is an economic activity, like forming a company, of course it should be administered by the state.


No, that's a civil union. A marriage is the same as a civil union but with a religious overly.

When civil unions were introduced in 2004 they should have replaced rather than complimented marriage.

7001 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 3646


  Reply # 1072125 22-Jun-2014 17:59
One person supports this post
Send private message

Glassboy:
alasta:
Fred99: As for me - I don't care if you or anybody else want to marry your cat.  It's none of my business - and should certainly not be any business of government.


Good. This vindicates my view that marriage should not be administered by the state, and hence the entire same sex marriage debate was moot.


Marriage is an economic activity, like forming a company, of course it should be administered by the state.


While I was looking at the legislation WRT finding out what legal difference there was between being married - and being in a de-facto relationship (basically none), I realised that although we consider ourselves to be "married", we got married overseas, and as we've never registered our marriage in NZ, it carries no legal status whatsoever, nor does the NZ government have any record of us being "married".
So while the government may keep a register, it's basically a load of crock - there's no need for them to do even that.

alasta: 

When civil unions were introduced in 2004 they should have replaced rather than complimented marriage.


Exactly.


BDFL - Memuneh
61022 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 11851

Administrator
Trusted
Geekzone
Lifetime subscriber

Reply # 1072128 22-Jun-2014 18:07
Send private message

alasta:
Glassboy:
alasta: Good. This vindicates my view that marriage should not be administered by the state, and hence the entire same sex marriage debate was moot.


Marriage is an economic activity, like forming a company, of course it should be administered by the state.


No, that's a civil union. A marriage is the same as a civil union but with a religious overly.

When civil unions were introduced in 2004 they should have replaced rather than complimented marriage.


So you mean that all these years atheists never really got "married" even though they had a marriage certificate because they never had a "religious tone" to their marriage? Am I not married even though I have a marriage certificate but never had a religious ceremony?






7001 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 3646


  Reply # 1072138 22-Jun-2014 18:15
Send private message

freitasm:
alasta:
Glassboy:
alasta: Good. This vindicates my view that marriage should not be administered by the state, and hence the entire same sex marriage debate was moot.


Marriage is an economic activity, like forming a company, of course it should be administered by the state.


No, that's a civil union. A marriage is the same as a civil union but with a religious overly.

When civil unions were introduced in 2004 they should have replaced rather than complimented marriage.


So you mean that all these years atheists never really got "married" even though they had a marriage certificate because they never had a "religious tone" to their marriage? Am I not married even though I have a marriage certificate but never had a religious ceremony?




I don't know.  Our son (21 YO tomorrow) read what I posted above - and asked if that meant he's a bastard?  I think the right reply is yes - if he stays in NZ (and votes for Colin Craig).

834 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 260

Trusted

  Reply # 1072151 22-Jun-2014 18:40
Send private message

alasta:
Glassboy:
alasta: Good. This vindicates my view that marriage should not be administered by the state, and hence the entire same sex marriage debate was moot.


Marriage is an economic activity, like forming a company, of course it should be administered by the state.


No, that's a civil union. A marriage is the same as a civil union but with a religious overly.

When civil unions were introduced in 2004 they should have replaced rather than complimented marriage.


Traditional marriage is an economic act. Why do you think dowry and inheritance are so important everywhere. Under English law a proposal was a verbal contract, that's why in things like Jane Austin novels it's such a big deal. If proposals were rescinded courts could and did impose quite harsh financial penalties.

4005 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 698

Trusted
Subscriber

  Reply # 1072154 22-Jun-2014 18:48
Send private message

freitasm:
alasta: No, that's a civil union. A marriage is the same as a civil union but with a religious overly.

When civil unions were introduced in 2004 they should have replaced rather than complimented marriage.


So you mean that all these years atheists never really got "married" even though they had a marriage certificate because they never had a "religious tone" to their marriage? Am I not married even though I have a marriage certificate but never had a religious ceremony?


Yes, I suppose that would be a valid assessment. Strictly speaking you are in a civil union, but the state labels it 'marriage' because of the confusing way in which these terms are applied politically and legally.

7001 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 3646


  Reply # 1072156 22-Jun-2014 18:59
Send private message

Glassboy: 

Traditional marriage is an economic act. Why do you think dowry and inheritance are so important everywhere. Under English law a proposal was a verbal contract, that's why in things like Jane Austin novels it's such a big deal. If proposals were rescinded courts could and did impose quite harsh financial penalties.


Under English law, people have been boiled in oil for heresy - granted clemency for confession prior to execution (you got the choice of being dunked feet first or head first).
It's hardly a relevant example for the 21st century.

834 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 260

Trusted

  Reply # 1072157 22-Jun-2014 19:02
Send private message

Fred99:
Glassboy: 

Traditional marriage is an economic act. Why do you think dowry and inheritance are so important everywhere. Under English law a proposal was a verbal contract, that's why in things like Jane Austin novels it's such a big deal. If proposals were rescinded courts could and did impose quite harsh financial penalties.


Under English law, people have been boiled in oil for heresy - granted clemency for confession prior to execution (you got the choice of being dunked feet first or head first).
It's hardly a relevant example for the 21st century.


Of course it is.  It's the basis for our current law, and part of the body of case law that is examined if the [written] statues are unclear.

834 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 260

Trusted

  Reply # 1072160 22-Jun-2014 19:06
Send private message

Fred99: 
While I was looking at the legislation WRT finding out what legal difference there was between being married - and being in a de-facto relationship (basically none), I realised that although we consider ourselves to be "married", we got married overseas, and as we've never registered our marriage in NZ, it carries no legal status whatsoever, nor does the NZ government have any record of us being "married".
So while the government may keep a register, it's basically a load of crock - there's no need for them to do even that.


The thing that I find interesting (I got married earlier this year) is that DIA don't establish or verify the identity of either party getting married.  It appears they rely on the fact that the parties are making a legal declaration.  

7001 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 3646


  Reply # 1072161 22-Jun-2014 19:07
Send private message

Glassboy:
Fred99:
Glassboy: 

Traditional marriage is an economic act. Why do you think dowry and inheritance are so important everywhere. Under English law a proposal was a verbal contract, that's why in things like Jane Austin novels it's such a big deal. If proposals were rescinded courts could and did impose quite harsh financial penalties.


Under English law, people have been boiled in oil for heresy - granted clemency for confession prior to execution (you got the choice of being dunked feet first or head first).
It's hardly a relevant example for the 21st century.


Of course it is.  It's the basis for our current law, and part of the body of case law that is examined if the [written] statues are unclear.


Well fortunately, if someone tried to sue for rescinding an engagement for marriage, or for failing to deliver on a dowry, in this country the litigants would be laughed out of court, and laughed right into the tabloid press.

834 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 260

Trusted

  Reply # 1072162 22-Jun-2014 19:12
Send private message

Fred99:
Glassboy:
Fred99:
Glassboy: 

Traditional marriage is an economic act. Why do you think dowry and inheritance are so important everywhere. Under English law a proposal was a verbal contract, that's why in things like Jane Austin novels it's such a big deal. If proposals were rescinded courts could and did impose quite harsh financial penalties.


Under English law, people have been boiled in oil for heresy - granted clemency for confession prior to execution (you got the choice of being dunked feet first or head first).
It's hardly a relevant example for the 21st century.


Of course it is.  It's the basis for our current law, and part of the body of case law that is examined if the [written] statues are unclear.


Well fortunately, if someone tried to sue for rescinding an engagement for marriage, or for failing to deliver on a dowry, in this country the litigants would be laughed out of court, and laughed right into the tabloid press.


Really?  Are you a very experienced solicitor or do you just have an impressive knowledge of NZ case law?  Feel free to PM your real name so I can check the Register of Lawyers.  

834 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 260

Trusted

  Reply # 1072164 22-Jun-2014 19:14
Send private message

freitasm:
alasta:
Glassboy:
alasta: Good. This vindicates my view that marriage should not be administered by the state, and hence the entire same sex marriage debate was moot.


Marriage is an economic activity, like forming a company, of course it should be administered by the state.


No, that's a civil union. A marriage is the same as a civil union but with a religious overly.

When civil unions were introduced in 2004 they should have replaced rather than complimented marriage.


So you mean that all these years atheists never really got "married" even though they had a marriage certificate because they never had a "religious tone" to their marriage? Am I not married even though I have a marriage certificate but never had a religious ceremony?




Well according to that definition it would probably be a good thing or you'd be a bigamist. :-)

7001 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 3646


  Reply # 1072174 22-Jun-2014 19:23
Send private message

Glassboy:
Fred99:
Glassboy:
Fred99:
Glassboy: 

Traditional marriage is an economic act. Why do you think dowry and inheritance are so important everywhere. Under English law a proposal was a verbal contract, that's why in things like Jane Austin novels it's such a big deal. If proposals were rescinded courts could and did impose quite harsh financial penalties.


Under English law, people have been boiled in oil for heresy - granted clemency for confession prior to execution (you got the choice of being dunked feet first or head first).
It's hardly a relevant example for the 21st century.


Of course it is.  It's the basis for our current law, and part of the body of case law that is examined if the [written] statues are unclear.


Well fortunately, if someone tried to sue for rescinding an engagement for marriage, or for failing to deliver on a dowry, in this country the litigants would be laughed out of court, and laughed right into the tabloid press.


Really?  Are you a very experienced solicitor or do you just have an impressive knowledge of NZ case law?  Feel free to PM your real name so I can check the Register of Lawyers.  


Look for it yourself - then disprove what I've said.  I'm not going searching for a needle (which I don't believe exists) in a haystack just to refute your claim that in NZ someone could sue for non-payment of dowry or breach of some agreement if an engagement to marry is called off.
No sorry - I won't PM you my real name.  You make me feel uncomfortable.
Demanding dowry payments is illegal even in India (since 1961) - despite still clearly being in practice, and with a long history of the custom.


12695 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 5980

Trusted

  Reply # 1072176 22-Jun-2014 19:29
One person supports this post
Send private message

It's a good thing that this thread is in the 'off topic' section because it's way off topic. 




Mike
Retired IT Manager. 
The views stated in my posts are my personal views and not that of any other organisation.

 

 It's our only home, lets clean it up then...

 

Take My Advice, Pull Down Your Pants And Slide On The Ice!

 

 


1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15
Filter this topic showing only the reply marked as answer View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic

Twitter »

Follow us to receive Twitter updates when new discussions are posted in our forums:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when news items and blogs are posted in our frontpage:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when tech item prices are listed in our price comparison site:





News »

Intel introduces new NUC kits and NUC mini PCs
Posted 16-Aug-2018 11:03


The Warehouse leaps into the AI future with Google
Posted 15-Aug-2018 17:56


Targus set sights on enterprise and consumer growth in New Zealand
Posted 13-Aug-2018 13:47


Huawei to distribute nova 3i in New Zealand
Posted 9-Aug-2018 16:23


Home robot Vector to be available in New Zealand stores
Posted 9-Aug-2018 14:47


Panasonic announces new 2018 OLED TV line up
Posted 7-Aug-2018 16:38


Kordia completes first live 4K TV broadcast
Posted 1-Aug-2018 13:00


Schools get safer and smarter internet with Managed Network Upgrade
Posted 30-Jul-2018 20:01


DNC wants a safer .nz in the coming year
Posted 26-Jul-2018 16:08


Auldhouse becomes an AWS Authorised Training Delivery Partner in New Zealand
Posted 26-Jul-2018 15:55


Rakuten Kobo launches Kobo Clara HD entry level reader
Posted 26-Jul-2018 15:44


Kiwi team reaches semi-finals at the Microsoft Imagine Cup
Posted 26-Jul-2018 15:38


KidsCan App to Help Kiwi Children in Need
Posted 26-Jul-2018 15:32


FUJIFILM announces new high-performance lenses
Posted 24-Jul-2018 14:57


New FUJIFILM XF10 introduces square mode for Instagram sharing
Posted 24-Jul-2018 14:44



Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.

Alternatively, you can receive a daily email with Geekzone updates.