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  Reply # 1074503 25-Jun-2014 19:12
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hashbrown:
PhantomNVD:
Dratsab: Getting back to the original question: Personally, I don't consider any of those examples to be piracy, although most of them feature illegality. My definition of [internet] piracy would be illegally copying software or audio/visual content then using the internet to make it available to others.


as above plus if used to make money (AKA selling fake movie disks) though do they even bother doing this anymore?


Modern piracy is a multi-tiered operation.  No one person/entity meets the entire criteria of being "the" pirate.  Instead they each profit from piracy in small ways.

- Selling HDCP decoders
- Running an advertising driven indexing site.
- Running a hosting company that turns a blind eye.
etc.

Also, by making it about money you ignore the other benefits built into some models, such as faster download speeds the more you upload.


Why do you assume that any business selling HDCP decoders is just profiting from piracy? Those things have legitimate legal uses as well and, at least in this country, aren't illegal.

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  Reply # 1074508 25-Jun-2014 19:24
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KiwiNZ: It does not matter what one may feel about piracy( I don't really like the term, the subject is too big for a single wrap around) the definitions are contained in legislation that either makes it a crime making transgressors liable for criminal prosecution or breaches rights and privileges granted by law making transgressors liable for civil legal proceedings.


We live in a democracy 
=> Laws get changed if people feel strongly enough about them
=> Feelings about what constitutes piracy matter.


Laws get changed by lobbying Parliament. I suspect the vast majority of those that pirate are not on a law changing crusade but just want something for nothing.




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  Reply # 1074688 25-Jun-2014 22:30
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JimmyH: Why do you assume that any business selling HDCP decoders is just profiting from piracy? Those things have legitimate legal uses as well and, at least in this country, aren't illegal.


Read my post.  I said they each profit in small ways and made no comment on legality.

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  Reply # 1075144 26-Jun-2014 17:45
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The internet party has announced their copyright and open research policy

They made a video going around the streets and asking people "Why do people illegally download content online"



They posted on facebook:


So why do people download illegally, and what can we do to stop it?

The Internet Party video team hit the streets to quiz people on their habits. 

We're committed to reforming the copyright system in a way that encourages legal downloading.

We will consider any content not legally available online to be exempt from file-sharing laws, and encourage streaming services to set up in New Zealand. 

You can view our full draft policy here:
http://t.co/KSWQ3aD2fb

And have your say in our Copyright forum:
https://internet.org.nz/forum/category/copyright


and another post today


The US Supreme court has ruled against Aereo, the service whose business model enables greater accessibility and user choice around when they watch broadcast TV.

The service took free to air content, and allowed users to time-shift, watching what they wanted when they wanted.

Technology and innovation has always challenged business models. We must take a consumer focussed approach, and ensure that developments in delivery are not arbitrarily held back at the behest of special interests, who simply want to safe-guard the old ways of doing things.

The Internet Party's copyright policy will update NZ's 20-year-old copyright legislation for a digital era. Our provisions punish file-sharers only when content IS legally available to them.

We also protect the right to shift purchased content from one format to another - an area in which consumers have lost ground as we move away from physical formats into the download "licence" model.




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  Reply # 1075408 27-Jun-2014 09:01
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I suspect a part of the problem in this debate is that in New Zealand at least there is a lack of competition for legal video content provision. 

Sky, iTunes, discs, Free to Air, NetFlix via VPN or DNS, QuickFlix. 

In a way they aren't really competing. They are offering very different products to very different markets. 

In a market like that it shouldn't be surprising that many potential costumers don't feel their needs are being met. Sadly, the alternative is an illegal free services rather than a competing pay service. 

I'm very interested to see how the Sky and Telecom streaming services work out. 

Piracy should be 'fought' with convenience, nothing else has worked.




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  Reply # 1075421 27-Jun-2014 09:24
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crackrdbycracku: I suspect a part of the problem in this debate is that in New Zealand at least there is a lack of competition for legal video content provision. 

Sky, iTunes, discs, Free to Air, NetFlix via VPN or DNS, QuickFlix. 

In a way they aren't really competing. They are offering very different products to very different markets. 

In a market like that it shouldn't be surprising that many potential costumers don't feel their needs are being met. Sadly, the alternative is an illegal free services rather than a competing pay service. 

I'm very interested to see how the Sky and Telecom streaming services work out. 

Piracy should be 'fought' with convenience, nothing else has worked.


totally agree!

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Hollywood Director Slams MPAA's Pathetic Anti-Piracy Crusade, She doesnt like things mentioned in this thread like geoblocking etc

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  Reply # 1086168 10-Jul-2014 05:41
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crackrdbycracku: 

Piracy should be 'fought' with convenience, nothing else has worked.


Spot on. Another chap thought the same way, pretty much made piracy in the gaming industry irrelevant. http://au.ign.com/articles/2011/11/25/gabe-says-piracy-isnt-about-price

Gabe Newell from the article above: 

"We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy," Newell said. "Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem. For example, if a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24/7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country three months after the U.S. release and can only be purchased at a brick and mortar store, then the pirate's service is more valuable.





  

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  Reply # 1086592 10-Jul-2014 18:50
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1- Ripping a CD borrowed from a friend?
2- Ripping a hired DVD/Blu-ray?
3- Ripping a DVD/Blu-ray you have purchased? (ie for playback on a tablet/mobile phone/media server)
4- Downloading/torrenting the latest movie blockbuster?
5- Downlaoding/torrenting the latest episode of your favourite TV show THAT PLAYS HERE ON FREEVIEW, but hasn't aired here yet?
6- Downlaoding/torrenting an episode of a show THAT PLAYS HERE ON FREEVIEW that has already aired here?
7- Downloading/torrenting any episode of your fovourite TV show THAT PLAYS HERE ON SKY?
8- Using PAID FOR overseas TV/Movie streaming services? (Netflix, Hulu, Amazon etc.)
9- Using FREE overseas TV streaming services? (BBC iPlayer, ITV Player etc.)
10- Downloading music videos (or any videos) from YouTube?


Yes to all except 8 and 9.



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  Reply # 1086622 10-Jul-2014 19:02
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offtopic:   #8 - I remember reading that Netfix representatives were told to tell people that changing your ip is illegal and you could be arrested for it.  Ill try find the link.

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  Reply # 1086640 10-Jul-2014 19:14
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thorax: offtopic:   #8 - I remember reading that Netfix representatives were told to tell people that changing your ip is illegal and you could be arrested for it.  Ill try find the link.

 

Sort of thing that the MPAA would put out..




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  Reply # 1086646 10-Jul-2014 19:22
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Maybe they will be organising a raid on Slingshot:

https://www.slingshot.co.nz/global-mode/overview

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