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  #1071572 21-Jun-2014 12:05
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joker97:
KiwiTim:
freitasm: There  are so many discussions around this...

Have you tried Wheedle yet, the only real local alternative at the moment (which is a kind of a dead place)?





I wasn't aware of the existence of Wheedle. Perhaps they need to run some TV adds. That might help them get some market share.


Wow! By the way the footy world cup is on


NO, no, no ..... I will only watch the rugby! Third match between England and All Blacks, now that will be worth watching :)

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  #1071574 21-Jun-2014 12:06
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Set up shop where the customers are, that is Trademe.




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  #1071578 21-Jun-2014 12:20
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KiwiNZ: Set up shop where the customers are, that is Trademe.


Doing both now. Wheedle lets me embed a YouTube video in the auction, which for my product, is a distinct advantage.

Have a look here:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/luje4k6

I actually prefer the clean and crisp look of the webpage.

Hopefully, I'll get the traffic.

One shortcoming is when I do a Google search using key words specific to my add and restrict the search to NZ, the Trade Me add is the first item returned in the search, but the Wheedle add is no where to be seen. Wheedle need to do something about that!

Their live auctions should be accessible by Google searches.





 

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  #1071624 21-Jun-2014 12:44
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Trademe has critical mass - it's where most people already go. This is self perpetuating. Sellers want to go where they know a lot of buyers are. Buyers want to go where a lot of sellers are.

For a site to compete against Trademe it would have to come up with some desirable point of distinction that Trademe doesn't have or can't/won't match. So far, no one has.

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  #1071688 21-Jun-2014 14:20
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to the OP: what's wrong with Trademe?




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  #1071722 21-Jun-2014 14:39
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logo: to the OP: what's wrong with Trademe?



Nothing really wrong with it. The fees are more than I prefer, and I would have to become a "Trader" if I continue with them. I sell the same item, repeatedly. I sell one $55 item approximately every 2-3 weeks. Out of that I make about $25 profit. I don't wish to be identified as a trader when I only make $500 per year out of it, but under Trade Me terms I fit the Trader criteria.

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  #1071726 21-Jun-2014 14:48
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TM can pretty much charge what they want to in fees as they know there is no real viable alternative in NZ. Many have tried to get their foot in the door...




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  #1071730 21-Jun-2014 15:11
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KiwiTim:
logo: to the OP: what's wrong with Trademe?



Nothing really wrong with it. The fees are more than I prefer, and I would have to become a "Trader" if I continue with them. I sell the same item, repeatedly. I sell one $55 item approximately every 2-3 weeks. Out of that I make about $25 profit. I don't wish to be identified as a trader when I only make $500 per year out of it, but under Trade Me terms I fit the Trader criteria.


This isn't just a trademe rule, It's part of the new Consumer Laws so you are a "Trader" if you make or buy something with the intention of selling that product.

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  #1071758 21-Jun-2014 16:14
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Andib:
KiwiTim:
logo: to the OP: what's wrong with Trademe?



Nothing really wrong with it. The fees are more than I prefer, and I would have to become a "Trader" if I continue with them. I sell the same item, repeatedly. I sell one $55 item approximately every 2-3 weeks. Out of that I make about $25 profit. I don't wish to be identified as a trader when I only make $500 per year out of it, but under Trade Me terms I fit the Trader criteria.


This isn't just a trademe rule, It's part of the new Consumer Laws so you are a "Trader" if you make or buy something with the intention of selling that product.


It's also a law to make sure people pay their fair share of taxes, and people making profits from selling goods on trademe, can be easily identified. Any trading site in NZ will likely include something to identify traders, so it isn't a competition thing.  Even if someone is only making $500 per year, they still have to pay their share of taxes. Tax goes to support health, education and NZ infrastructure, and I don't have much time for people or companies who try to get out of their tax obligations for the country they are operating in.



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  #1071780 21-Jun-2014 16:48
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mattwnz:
Andib:
KiwiTim:
logo: to the OP: what's wrong with Trademe?



Nothing really wrong with it. The fees are more than I prefer, and I would have to become a "Trader" if I continue with them. I sell the same item, repeatedly. I sell one $55 item approximately every 2-3 weeks. Out of that I make about $25 profit. I don't wish to be identified as a trader when I only make $500 per year out of it, but under Trade Me terms I fit the Trader criteria.


This isn't just a trademe rule, It's part of the new Consumer Laws so you are a "Trader" if you make or buy something with the intention of selling that product.


It's also a law to make sure people pay their fair share of taxes, and people making profits from selling goods on trademe, can be easily identified. Any trading site in NZ will likely include something to identify traders, so it isn't a competition thing.  Even if someone is only making $500 per year, they still have to pay their share of taxes. Tax goes to support health, education and NZ infrastructure, and I don't have much time for people or companies who try to get out of their tax obligations for the country they are operating in.


For me, that ruling makes it no longer worthwhile continuing to sell the unique product that I sell. The government should have included some minimum threshold. I have no time for people who are  self-righteous. 


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  #1071782 21-Jun-2014 16:53
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KiwiTim:
mattwnz:
Andib:
KiwiTim:
logo: to the OP: what's wrong with Trademe?



Nothing really wrong with it. The fees are more than I prefer, and I would have to become a "Trader" if I continue with them. I sell the same item, repeatedly. I sell one $55 item approximately every 2-3 weeks. Out of that I make about $25 profit. I don't wish to be identified as a trader when I only make $500 per year out of it, but under Trade Me terms I fit the Trader criteria.


This isn't just a trademe rule, It's part of the new Consumer Laws so you are a "Trader" if you make or buy something with the intention of selling that product.


It's also a law to make sure people pay their fair share of taxes, and people making profits from selling goods on trademe, can be easily identified. Any trading site in NZ will likely include something to identify traders, so it isn't a competition thing.  Even if someone is only making $500 per year, they still have to pay their share of taxes. Tax goes to support health, education and NZ infrastructure, and I don't have much time for people or companies who try to get out of their tax obligations for the country they are operating in.


For me, that ruling makes it no longer worthwhile continuing to sell the unique product that I sell. The government should have included some minimum threshold. I have no time for people who are  self-righteous. 



You need to charge enough to cover your tax obligations, it is as simple as that. Also it has nothing to do with being self-righteous , it is the New Zealand law, and is why these changes have been made, so people pay their fair share of taxes.



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  #1071794 21-Jun-2014 17:06
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mattwnz:
KiwiTim:
mattwnz:
Andib:
KiwiTim:
logo: to the OP: what's wrong with Trademe?



Nothing really wrong with it. The fees are more than I prefer, and I would have to become a "Trader" if I continue with them. I sell the same item, repeatedly. I sell one $55 item approximately every 2-3 weeks. Out of that I make about $25 profit. I don't wish to be identified as a trader when I only make $500 per year out of it, but under Trade Me terms I fit the Trader criteria.


This isn't just a trademe rule, It's part of the new Consumer Laws so you are a "Trader" if you make or buy something with the intention of selling that product.


It's also a law to make sure people pay their fair share of taxes, and people making profits from selling goods on trademe, can be easily identified. Any trading site in NZ will likely include something to identify traders, so it isn't a competition thing.  Even if someone is only making $500 per year, they still have to pay their share of taxes. Tax goes to support health, education and NZ infrastructure, and I don't have much time for people or companies who try to get out of their tax obligations for the country they are operating in.


For me, that ruling makes it no longer worthwhile continuing to sell the unique product that I sell. The government should have included some minimum threshold. I have no time for people who are  self-righteous. 



You need to charge enough to cover your tax obligations, it is as simple as that. Also it has nothing to do with being self-righteous , it is the New Zealand law, and is why these changes have been made.


Have you ever not paid for car parking? Have you ever deliberately purchased goods overseas to avoid paying GST? If you have, then this is also avoidance of council or government charges? We all slip under the radar somewhere, at some time, and if it is for a trivial amount, does it matter? No it does not.

Sure, when the amounts are significant it really does matter, but trivial amounts are just a waste of administrative effort and people's time.

What this government should be focusing on is corporate tax avoidance.  



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  #1071795 21-Jun-2014 17:16
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KiwiTim:
mattwnz:
KiwiTim:
mattwnz:
Andib:
KiwiTim:
logo: to the OP: what's wrong with Trademe?



Nothing really wrong with it. The fees are more than I prefer, and I would have to become a "Trader" if I continue with them. I sell the same item, repeatedly. I sell one $55 item approximately every 2-3 weeks. Out of that I make about $25 profit. I don't wish to be identified as a trader when I only make $500 per year out of it, but under Trade Me terms I fit the Trader criteria.


This isn't just a trademe rule, It's part of the new Consumer Laws so you are a "Trader" if you make or buy something with the intention of selling that product.


It's also a law to make sure people pay their fair share of taxes, and people making profits from selling goods on trademe, can be easily identified. Any trading site in NZ will likely include something to identify traders, so it isn't a competition thing.  Even if someone is only making $500 per year, they still have to pay their share of taxes. Tax goes to support health, education and NZ infrastructure, and I don't have much time for people or companies who try to get out of their tax obligations for the country they are operating in.


For me, that ruling makes it no longer worthwhile continuing to sell the unique product that I sell. The government should have included some minimum threshold. I have no time for people who are  self-righteous. 



You need to charge enough to cover your tax obligations, it is as simple as that. Also it has nothing to do with being self-righteous , it is the New Zealand law, and is why these changes have been made.


Have you ever not paid for car parking? Have you ever deliberately purchased goods overseas to avoid paying GST? If you have, then this is also avoidance of council or government charges? We all slip under the radar somewhere, at some time, and if it is for a trivial amount, does it matter? No it does not.

Sure, when the amounts are significant it really does matter, but trivial amounts are just a waste of administrative effort and people's time.

What this government should be focusing on is corporate tax avoidance.  




How can you avoid car parking charges, if you don't pay, you get fined, and most are now privately owned now anyway (some by overseas companies). Also you can't avoid not paying GST on imported goods either, unless the sender lies about the goods value.  They currently don't bother to collect if the GST and duty is under a certain amount, but it can still be charged on them if you have a lot of packages coming into NZ. Ironically the changes will possibly mean more lower value things are imported. I can see them introducing some form of tax at the border eventually on small value items, it is just very hard to do cheaply.
Yes they should be clamping down on some of those large companies too, but even small amounts do add up. I don't particularly like paying tax, who does, but it is just one of those things, and I think of it as a donation to NZ.



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  #1071800 21-Jun-2014 17:26
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mattwnz:
KiwiTim:
mattwnz:
KiwiTim:
mattwnz:
Andib:
KiwiTim:
logo: to the OP: what's wrong with Trademe?



Nothing really wrong with it. The fees are more than I prefer, and I would have to become a "Trader" if I continue with them. I sell the same item, repeatedly. I sell one $55 item approximately every 2-3 weeks. Out of that I make about $25 profit. I don't wish to be identified as a trader when I only make $500 per year out of it, but under Trade Me terms I fit the Trader criteria.


This isn't just a trademe rule, It's part of the new Consumer Laws so you are a "Trader" if you make or buy something with the intention of selling that product.


It's also a law to make sure people pay their fair share of taxes, and people making profits from selling goods on trademe, can be easily identified. Any trading site in NZ will likely include something to identify traders, so it isn't a competition thing.  Even if someone is only making $500 per year, they still have to pay their share of taxes. Tax goes to support health, education and NZ infrastructure, and I don't have much time for people or companies who try to get out of their tax obligations for the country they are operating in.


For me, that ruling makes it no longer worthwhile continuing to sell the unique product that I sell. The government should have included some minimum threshold. I have no time for people who are  self-righteous. 



You need to charge enough to cover your tax obligations, it is as simple as that. Also it has nothing to do with being self-righteous , it is the New Zealand law, and is why these changes have been made.


Have you ever not paid for car parking? Have you ever deliberately purchased goods overseas to avoid paying GST? If you have, then this is also avoidance of council or government charges? We all slip under the radar somewhere, at some time, and if it is for a trivial amount, does it matter? No it does not.

Sure, when the amounts are significant it really does matter, but trivial amounts are just a waste of administrative effort and people's time.

What this government should be focusing on is corporate tax avoidance.  




How can you avoid car parking charges, if you don't pay, you get fined, and most are now privately owned now anyway (some by overseas companies). Also you can't avoid not paying GST on imported goods either, unless the sender lies about the goods value.  They currently don't bother to collect if the GST and duty is under a certain amount, but it can still be charged on them if you have a lot of packages coming into NZ. Ironically the changes will possibly mean more lower value things are imported. I can see them introducing some form of tax at the border eventually on small value items, it is just very hard to do cheaply.
Yes they should be clamping down on some of those large companies too, but even small amounts do add up. I don't particularly like paying tax, who does, but it is just one of those things, and I think of it as a donation to NZ.


If you have no useful opinion on the original topic that I posted here, I suggest you find something else more useful to do with your day.

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  #1071819 21-Jun-2014 17:45
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KiwiTim: 

If you have no useful opinion on the original topic that I posted here, I suggest you find something else more useful to do with your day.


 You are the one who went well off topic with your statements on car parking etc. 
 Actually I gave you a lot of useful advice.  You were saying you don't want to use trademe because you are considered a trader, and you didn't want to have to pay taxes as it wouldn't make it worth your while. However as I and others have also previously said, whatever trading site you use, you will be considered a trader if you are buying for the intention of selling for a profit. As I previously said, build any taxes you have to pay into your prices, and that way you will still be making a healthy margin. From what you said, you were making nearly 100% profit which is a very healthy profit margin. Sell more, and you also increase your earnings. I see people are discussing this very topic on trademe at http://www.trademe.co.nz/Community/MessageBoard/Messages.aspx?id=1440196&topic=46 and that maybe a better place for you to ask questions on this trademe change.

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