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Topic # 148800 1-Jul-2014 12:37
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So, woke up this morning to find my dyndns domains were acting out..

after a bit of digging, turned up a few posts about it..


http://blogs.technet.com/b/microsoft_blog/archive/2014/06/30/microsoft-takes-on-global-cybercrime-epidemic-in-tenth-malware-disruption.aspx

http://lowendtalk.com/discussion/30257/several-no-ip-domains-seized-by-microsoft-via-court-order


So, im sure this is early days for the whole issue, as microsoft say only the "bad eggs" in the pool are going to be closed off, but its worth questioning... how are they to choose which should not be allowed?


anyone else who made use of this service looking for alternatives?







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  Reply # 1077767 1-Jul-2014 12:41
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If everyone had Common Sense 2014 on board i suppose most of the Malware manufactures would be out of business.


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  Reply # 1077828 1-Jul-2014 13:18
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Read this today - apparently they had tried working with no-ip, got nowhere so got a court order and took them over.

Scary - no-ip isn't just used in the US.

 
 
 
 




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  Reply # 1077834 1-Jul-2014 13:21
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wasabi2k: Read this today - apparently they had tried working with no-ip, got nowhere so got a court order and took them over.

Scary - no-ip isn't just used in the US.


yep.. looks like i might need to setup my own system really...


not sure if im keen for another dyn provider to suddenly have this happen...




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  Reply # 1087021 11-Jul-2014 11:48
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hio77: So, woke up this morning to find my dyndns domains were acting out..


http://blogs.technet.com/b/microsoft_blog/archive/2014/06/30/microsoft-takes-on-global-cybercrime-epidemic-in-tenth-malware-disruption.aspx

http://lowendtalk.com/discussion/30257/several-no-ip-domains-seized-by-microsoft-via-court-order


So, im sure this is early days for the whole issue, as microsoft say only the "bad eggs" in the pool are going to be closed off, but its worth questioning... how are they to choose which should not be allowed?




Here is the followup.

http://www.noip.com/blog/2014/07/10/microsoft-takedown-details-updates/#comment-30635

Evidently Microsoft started a secret civil court case, and without No-IP being aware of the court case, or being present , or seeing the charges against them or seeing evidence or being able to produce evidence or judged guilty nad had their DNS taken off them and handed to Microsoft who promptly banned domains whole sale and not just the 'bad-eggs.

1.8 million devices and people were affected.
Of the 22'000 supposed bad eggs Microsoft alleged most were found to have already been abandoned or dealt with by No-IP.

I personally lost five hours of time as I could no longer connect to a job that I had set up a no-ip address for as it was on a dynamic IP address.  - note to self - Bill Microsoft for that lost time.  They have no contract with me and no right to disrupt my services.

Here is what worries me:
The internet is based on freedom. DNS is based on collaborative efforts with everyone agreeing to work together. no one owns DNS.
Microsoft have taken a large step towards testing if they can arbitraily take DNS away from a third party and redirect it to themselves.
The DNS systems state a request can be made to transfer DNS but the owner of the Domain name is the final arbitrator of who hosts and how it is handled. In effect a law  or agreement was broken to transfer domains without consent.

The law states innocent until proven guilty.
The law states that you have the right to face your accuser in court (exceptions for kids and abused people)
The law states you have the right to see the evidence arrayed against you and respond.

None of this held true where an ex-parte (spelling?) secret court order was raised and approved seizing assets / property of no-ip and handing it to the accuse without fair (or any) representation court.

What is more the assets seized not only belonged to no-ip but to those who has purchased the use of the domain names from no-ip.  - Boy i would love to see a class level action taken on this case.

In effect the courts allowed Microsoft to act in a way tthat up to now has only been allowed to law agencies and military under the provssions of the Terrorism Act in the USA. That is very very very scary.

Even if Microsoft was correct - which they weren't, even if No-Ip were actively complicit in the propagation of malware, which they weren't, then Microsoft still does not have the right to do in court what they have done. due process was not followed.

Lastly - my  rights were breached. I have the expectation that my data, sent to a third party, should not be scanned, cheked and directed through a large corporate 9or any other persons) systems without my implicit or explicit consent. Microsoft had no such consent.

A dark day for the internet. Thankfully we dodged the bullet - this time.











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  Reply # 1087063 11-Jul-2014 12:56
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Sounds like another Mega Upload type case




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