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  Reply # 1091362 18-Jul-2014 12:46
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I don't think it's baseless. I can't think of a single decent reason for a marriage to end in under a year. Also I recall them being interviewed on whatever radio station I was listening to on the way to work, it was all about being first, little or nothing I can recall about love and commitment. 


I know heaps of people whose marriages have ended after about a year.  People get married thinking it means things will change or improve, and when they find they've been living to a false expectation they have to face reality and move on.  For women there can be the added dimension that the man really isn't what they want as the father of there children.

It's not an expectation that's limited to the couple.  I got married this year and people have asked me constantly since "how is marriage" and I answer "the same as before but I have this ring".  I'm always a little bit surprised that people have an expectation that my life has suddenly changed.

The Herald writes articles based on people's Facebook pages, Stuff writes articles about people's comments on it's [non] news articles.  All you do by raising it here is legitimise their idiocy.  Well that's my reading of why people are getting grumpy with you.


None of those reasons are "decent" reasons for a marriage to fail after less than a year.

Thing is, people are so sensitive right now about homosexuality and no-one dare suggest/suggest/infer anything bad about them. Had I have made the same comments about a Celebrity couple, everyone would have been on the bandwagon rah rah attention seeking prats blah blah.

Fair enough the facts may not be fully in, I'll accept my part in that, but people need some perspective on the other side of this too.

I've requested the topic be locked or removed since it seems to have everyone so hot under the collar.




People arent annoyed that it's because it's a same sex couple, people are annoyed because the Herald has no right to publish stuff that's got no factual reasoning, and people are then using it to say crap about how this is the start of the downfall of marriage, I told you so blah blah, just like they did before it was legalised. 


I disagree, I think people ARE upset and defensive because it's a same sex couple. The Herald can publish what it likes, the couple put themselves in the limelight, and furthermore the poem is on social networking sites. If you want privacy then don't publish there, they have only themselves to blame.

Regardless of all of that, the thread has run it's course, not really much more to be said of any value.



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  Reply # 1091365 18-Jul-2014 12:49
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networkn: None of those reasons are "decent" reasons for a marriage to fail after less than a year.


Who are you to decide what is a decent reason for anyone but yourself?




Well I wasn't present at said marriage but vows usually speak of sickness and health, commitment, understanding marriage isn't the same as living together etc, and to death do you part. Ending a marriage after a year, if this is indeed the case, doesn't seem to indicate an understanding adherence to those vows.


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  Reply # 1091366 18-Jul-2014 12:51
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I will merely leave some food for thought: when basically nobody agrees with your point of view, I think it is time to reflect on your point of view.




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  Reply # 1091368 18-Jul-2014 12:55
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NZtechfreak: I will merely leave some food for thought: when basically nobody agrees with your point of view, I think it is time to reflect on your point of view.


Well I have suggested the thread be closed or deleted, but regardless, if the herd was always followed many things today would be quite different. Once upon a time the world was thought to be flat.

I stand by my right to have a differing opinion to the majority, and also happy to try and keep an open mind.

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  Reply # 1091369 18-Jul-2014 12:58
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NZtechfreak: I will merely leave some food for thought: when basically nobody agrees with your point of view, I think it is time to reflect on your point of view.


Well I have suggested the thread be closed or deleted, but regardless, if the herd was always followed many things today would be quite different. Once upon a time the world was thought to be flat.


Except in this case you still think the world is flat, and the rest of the 'herd' has learnt.

 

I think this should remain open, once the couple inevitably makes a statement of some sort, we can talk more on it either way.




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  Reply # 1091375 18-Jul-2014 13:03
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NZtechfreak: I will merely leave some food for thought: when basically nobody agrees with your point of view, I think it is time to reflect on your point of view.


Well I have suggested the thread be closed or deleted, but regardless, if the herd was always followed many things today would be quite different. Once upon a time the world was thought to be flat.


Except in this case you still think the world is flat, and the rest of the 'herd' has learnt.

I think this should remain open, once the couple inevitably makes a statement of some sort, we can talk more on it either way.


Quite simply untrue and since you don't know me you are in no position to make such statements. My beliefs are no less valid given the lack of "proof" than yours. I could be quite right in my belief the marriage ended for the reasons I have stated. 

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NZtechfreak: I will merely leave some food for thought: when basically nobody agrees with your point of view, I think it is time to reflect on your point of view.


Well I have suggested the thread be closed or deleted, but regardless, if the herd was always followed many things today would be quite different. Once upon a time the world was thought to be flat.


Except in this case you still think the world is flat, and the rest of the 'herd' has learnt.

I think this should remain open, once the couple inevitably makes a statement of some sort, we can talk more on it either way.


Quite simply untrue and since you don't know me you are in no position to make such statements. My beliefs are no less valid given the lack of "proof" than yours. I could be quite right in my belief the marriage ended for the reasons I have stated. 


It wasn't even 10 posts up that you said you didn't attend their wedding, yet you still can cast judgement on this couples vows and beliefs, and possible reasons for their un-proven break up? Whats with the double standard. 




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  Reply # 1091378 18-Jul-2014 13:08
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NZtechfreak: I will merely leave some food for thought: when basically nobody agrees with your point of view, I think it is time to reflect on your point of view.


Well I have suggested the thread be closed or deleted, but regardless, if the herd was always followed many things today would be quite different. Once upon a time the world was thought to be flat.


Except in this case you still think the world is flat, and the rest of the 'herd' has learnt.

I think this should remain open, once the couple inevitably makes a statement of some sort, we can talk more on it either way.


Quite simply untrue and since you don't know me you are in no position to make such statements. My beliefs are no less valid given the lack of "proof" than yours. I could be quite right in my belief the marriage ended for the reasons I have stated. 


It wasn't even 10 posts up that you said you didn't attend their wedding, yet you still can cast judgement on this couples vows and beliefs, and possible reasons for their un-proven break up? Whats with the double standard. 


EVER been to a wedding without vows? Some things are safe enough to assume I believe. I assume the sun will come up tomorrow as well, will you challenge this as well? If you wish to speak to double standards you are making the opposite assumptions to me, also 
based on the same facts I have. 

I am tired of this. Since my opinion is considered less valid in this discussion than anyone elses, there seems little point in continuing to participate. You can grab your pitchforks and continue to rage over what you belief my beliefs are without my participation.

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  Reply # 1091382 18-Jul-2014 13:16
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NZtechfreak: I will merely leave some food for thought: when basically nobody agrees with your point of view, I think it is time to reflect on your point of view.


Well I have suggested the thread be closed or deleted, but regardless, if the herd was always followed many things today would be quite different. Once upon a time the world was thought to be flat.


Except in this case you still think the world is flat, and the rest of the 'herd' has learnt.

I think this should remain open, once the couple inevitably makes a statement of some sort, we can talk more on it either way.


Quite simply untrue and since you don't know me you are in no position to make such statements. My beliefs are no less valid given the lack of "proof" than yours. I could be quite right in my belief the marriage ended for the reasons I have stated. 


It wasn't even 10 posts up that you said you didn't attend their wedding, yet you still can cast judgement on this couples vows and beliefs, and possible reasons for their un-proven break up? Whats with the double standard. 


EVER been to a wedding without vows? Some things are safe enough to assume I believe. I assume the sun will come up tomorrow as well, will you challenge this as well?


Every wedding is different, but 'you are in no position to make such statements'.

I just don't understand why you're so defensive about people making assumptions about you, when you're more than happy to do it to two other people for no good reason. Especially by saying you find it hard to believe they didn't just do it for the free stuff in the original post. You aren't either one of the two involved in that marriage, so how on earth would you know even the first thing about their intentions?

This is slightly off topic but I just hate seeing people being so hypocritical for absolutely no reason. 




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  Reply # 1091415 18-Jul-2014 14:09
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I am tired of this. Since my opinion is considered less valid in this discussion than anyone elses, there seems little point in continuing to participate. You can grab your pitchforks and continue to rage over what you belief my beliefs are without my participation.


What you're doing is the equivalent of vomiting on a public street.  Your belief that your opinion is as equally valid as anyone else's is not true.  It isn't.  There isn't a fora in the world where it is, apart from maybe Kindergarten where everyone is "special".  If you would step outside of yourself for a moment you'd see that nearly everyone is disagreeing with you for a different reason.  That should be giving you some clues.

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  Reply # 1091421 18-Jul-2014 14:15
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opinions, everybody has them and everybody is entitled to have them. The possession of an opinion does not make it a fact, it does however make it an opinion. 




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  Reply # 1091496 18-Jul-2014 15:47
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NZtechfreak: I will merely leave some food for thought: when basically nobody agrees with your point of view, I think it is time to reflect on your point of view.


Honestly this does not mean anything. Just because many people disagree with you, it does not make you wrong.

OP is fully entitled to his opinion. Unfortunately, homosexual issue is deem sacred.





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 Quite simply untrue and since you don't know me you are in no position to make such statements. My beliefs are no less valid given the lack of "proof" than yours. I could be quite right in my belief the marriage ended for the reasons I have stated. 


And therein lies the rub.

You are combining and confusing two issues.

1) Belief systems about what a marriage is, and
2) The circumstances of someone elses marriage (or divorce/separation)

1. You are perfectly entitled to your beliefs on marriage but what you haven't conceded is that so are others. While there might collective viewpoint, ultimately, there are no right reason to marry/divorce. 

2. The circumstances of the couple in question are defined by facts. We don't have these facts. 

If you were to correctly 'guess' the facts based on your belief system all you've done is apply a model to one piece of data. If you were to correctly apply the model to a million pieces of data, you are still guessing based on your model.

The point being your ability to predict 2 has no bearing on the correctness of someone elses 1.

If you don't see this you are running the gauntlet of bigotry. If you're ok with that then so am I.

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NZtechfreak: I will merely leave some food for thought: when basically nobody agrees with your point of view, I think it is time to reflect on your point of view.


Honestly this does not mean anything. Just because many people disagree with you, it does not make you wrong.

OP is fully entitled to his opinion. Unfortunately, homosexual issue is deem sacred.


Well peoples opinions need to stop when they start attacking the human rights of others. 




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  Reply # 1091515 18-Jul-2014 16:03
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Glassboy:
What you're doing is the equivalent of vomiting on a public street.  Your belief that your opinion is as equally valid as anyone else's is not true.  It isn't.  There isn't a fora in the world where it is, apart from maybe Kindergarten where everyone is "special".  If you would step outside of yourself for a moment you'd see that nearly everyone is disagreeing with you for a different reason.  That should be giving you some clues.


I don't agree. Networkn's opinion is certainly valid even if you or others disagree. 

But, these gay discussion threads always end up in abuse and derogatory statements.   




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