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Topic # 150318 18-Jul-2014 12:45
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A hardline law and order policy by NZ First would offer greater protection to homeowners, farmers and shop keepers who shoot to kill intruders during home invasions or burglaries.

Along with a 40-year mandatory non-parole sentence for premeditated murder, NZ First wants the Crimes Act amended to give certainty over the use of "reasonable force" for self-defence.

Ahead of the party's annual convention this weekend, law and order spokesman Richard Prosser said the policy was a response to a string of incidents that had seen farmers and shopkeepers in court over their use of firearms or even hockey sticks against would-be robbers.

Mr Prosser said so-called "castle doctrine" laws in some US states, which saw Texan Joe Horn acquitted after his 2007 fatal shooting of two men who had burgled his neighbour's home, were "so over the top that it wouldn't be something that I think anyone in New Zealand would give consideration to".


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  Reply # 1091367 18-Jul-2014 12:51
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Mr Prosser wants a regime based on that introduced in Ireland in 2011 following controversy over the 2004 shooting of an Irish traveller by a farmer.


Two questions:

a) What is the Irish regime exactly?
b) What is NZ First proposing exactly?

As written in the FP it looks like all about guns?

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Sounds like the usual ill-conceived rubbish NZ First thinks will get themselves just enough votes to get into parliament, along with the usual sensationalist coverage from NZ media.  


NZ First's proposal would allow for homeowners to use "any firearm that is lawfully available to that person" to defend themselves.

But it wouldn't provide legal justification for people to obtain and keep a gun for self-defence.

Mr Prosser said his proposed law would not allow dairy owners, for example, to keep a shotgun under the counter. 


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sidefx: Sounds like the usual ill-conceived rubbish NZ First thinks will get themselves just enough votes to get into parliament, along with the usual sensationalist coverage from NZ media.  


NZ First's proposal would allow for homeowners to use "any firearm that is lawfully available to that person" to defend themselves.

But it wouldn't provide legal justification for people to obtain and keep a gun for self-defence.

Mr Prosser said his proposed law would not allow dairy owners, for example, to keep a shotgun under the counter. 


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This is on a new level. We dont need people with REASON to shoot someone. Soon it will be like America. "You stepped on my lawn, prepare to die"




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NZ First Lunacy that will never see the statutes 




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On the surface, it's easy to see how people think this is a good idea, but it's just not.

Give people this right (for lack of a better term) and there is only thing that will happen. Criminals will anti up and more people will die. Either they'll take a gun where they used to take a knife, or they'll shoot when they would have just threatened.

Guns/weapons are not the answer, they are the problem.




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  Reply # 1091419 18-Jul-2014 14:14
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TimA: 

This is on a new level. We dont need people with REASON to shoot someone. Soon it will be like America. "You stepped on my lawn, prepare to die"


You erode your point by making racist and ill-informed comments about another country.



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Glassboy:
TimA: 

This is on a new level. We dont need people with REASON to shoot someone. Soon it will be like America. "You stepped on my lawn, prepare to die"


You erode your point by making racist and ill-informed comments about another country.


Hard to view it as racist, Its a exaggerated generalization of an American minority that are pro guns for personal defense that take it too far.




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  Reply # 1091462 18-Jul-2014 15:06
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Not sure about this in NZ. I actually think that whole open carry thing etc. in America is probably a good thing considering their situation....





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TimA:
Glassboy:
TimA: 

This is on a new level. We dont need people with REASON to shoot someone. Soon it will be like America. "You stepped on my lawn, prepare to die"


You erode your point by making racist and ill-informed comments about another country.


Hard to view it as racist, Its a exaggerated generalization of an American minority that are pro guns for personal defense that take it too far.


Racist in this context is a sufficient shorthand for nationist or xenophobe.  And deliberate further ignorance is not a defence either.  



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Zeon: Not sure about this in NZ. I actually think that whole open carry thing etc. in America is probably a good thing considering their situation....


Its good when the population has the right mind about it and the people that do open carry are sensible about it.





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Glassboy:
TimA:
Glassboy:
TimA: 

This is on a new level. We dont need people with REASON to shoot someone. Soon it will be like America. "You stepped on my lawn, prepare to die"


You erode your point by making racist and ill-informed comments about another country.


Hard to view it as racist, Its a exaggerated generalization of an American minority that are pro guns for personal defense that take it too far.


Racist in this context is a sufficient shorthand for nationist or xenophobe.  And deliberate further ignorance is not a defence either.  


You love picking on everything i post.




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TimA: 

You love picking on everything i post.


Let's look at this from a slightly different angle, if I pick on *everything* you post, you must be stalking me across threads to get my attention.  :-)





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Glassboy:
TimA: 

You love picking on everything i post.


Let's look at this from a slightly different angle, if I pick on *everything* you post, you must be stalking me across threads to get my attention.  :-)




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Since when is someone stealing your stuff worth killing them over?



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deadlyllama: Since when is someone stealing your stuff worth killing them over?


 Thats my problem., I wouldnt really see it fit but some would possibly. Humans are not consistent with judging. People taking these sort of things too far. Hence the lawn quote above.





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