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  Reply # 1107657 13-Aug-2014 14:02
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wongtop: You could perhaps get a 6 month registration now, and then go annual next year when the price is lower.


I'm pretty sure the new rates are based on the financial year (not the calendar) so come in from 1 July; I recall this as I researched it as my car's registration was coming due in early July, and I remember paying for 12 months to get me through until the reduced rates would be available.

So, if I'm correct, at this stage it's still 11 months away...

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  Reply # 1107658 13-Aug-2014 14:02
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On a side but not entirely unrelated, I just did my Registration and Warrant of fitness for my car today, don't have to get another WOF for two years.




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  Reply # 1107681 13-Aug-2014 14:40
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scuwp: People also seem to forget that annual vehicle licencing (Registration) only costs about $30.  Over 80% of the total fee is an ACC levy (tax), and this is the part that is reducing.  

I do believe there was some talk of collecting the ACC levy other ways such as fuel excise, but IIRC ACC fees have to be based on relative risk (cost outlay), so motorists that have a lower claims risk such as car drivers, would have ended up paying more than those with a higher injury risk profile, such as motorcyclists...so that was deemed to be unfair.


On the other hand the current system means despite doing less than 8,000km per year I still pay the same ACC levy as someone who uses their car daily and covers significant distances.

I don't think it would ever be possible to design a system that is entirely in proportion to individual risk profiles without making it too complex to administer.

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  Reply # 1107968 13-Aug-2014 21:52
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Bike rego's are pure extortion.

We are the ONLY group targeted.

If they are going to play that card, why do we not have huge levies on every bloody (not motorized) cyclist, rugby player, and "Home DIY expert" etc.










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  Reply # 1108064 14-Aug-2014 07:08
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Lias: Bike rego's are pure extortion.

We are the ONLY group targeted.

If they are going to play that card, why do we not have huge levies on every bloody (not motorized) cyclist, rugby player, and "Home DIY expert" etc.




My 656cc bike rego is 528.71. A 49cc one is free is it? Or close. So the scooter rider is safe as houses hence little ACC levy. Its the rider with traffic offenses and accident causing offences that needs to be targeted. Motorbikes help a little with traffic, help a lot with parking, help a lot with fuel imports and pollution. It seems the extensive things you need to do now to get a full licence hasn't increased safety 

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  Reply # 1108639 14-Aug-2014 20:27
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Geektastic: Not exactly relevant but of general related interest:

As of the end of this year, the UK is doing away with windscreen mounted rego discs altogether. 

You will be required to register and pay on line or at the Post Office and the NPR cameras (Number Plate Recognition) mounted in Police vehicles, motorway bridges and so on will read your plates every time you pass and check whether you have paid! No pay - fine. No pay fine - car crushed.

I wonder what our system costs to operate. Combining it with the WOF system would get rid of a whole level of administration, for a start.


Same as here in Queensland.  From October, no window sticker.  Apparently they've been unnecessary for some time (so much so that driving without one was legal if you've paid, the only illegal thing was driving with an old one or driving without paying).  Combined with the lack of WOF scheme, it's an administrative breeze.

Which makes it all the more confusing that a registration costs $600-$800/yr for a car :/

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  Reply # 1108676 14-Aug-2014 21:17
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Geektastic: Not exactly relevant but of general related interest:

As of the end of this year, the UK is doing away with windscreen mounted rego discs altogether. 

You will be required to register and pay on line or at the Post Office and the NPR cameras (Number Plate Recognition) mounted in Police vehicles, motorway bridges and so on will read your plates every time you pass and check whether you have paid! No pay - fine. No pay fine - car crushed.

I wonder what our system costs to operate. Combining it with the WOF system would get rid of a whole level of administration, for a start.


Same as here in Queensland.  From October, no window sticker.  Apparently they've been unnecessary for some time (so much so that driving without one was legal if you've paid, the only illegal thing was driving with an old one or driving without paying).  Combined with the lack of WOF scheme, it's an administrative breeze.

Which makes it all the more confusing that a registration costs $600-$800/yr for a car :/


HAHA, good old QLD... wait for the headaches... South Aussie have had no stickers for 2 and a bit years... soooo many cock-ups when they don't send your renewal.



If anyone in NZ wants to pay my rego, it's $781 a year.

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  Reply # 1108717 14-Aug-2014 22:19
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blakamin: 
HAHA, good old QLD... wait for the headaches... South Aussie have had no stickers for 2 and a bit years... soooo many cock-ups when they don't send your renewal.

If anyone in NZ wants to pay my rego, it's $781 a year.


Well, apparently this state has only just moved off "laminated cardboard" for licenses, so yeah.

For $781... I'm just guessing... V8?   You know, I have no idea why V8s cost more to register.  It's not like they tear up the road any more than my V6 or anything.

So you're saying is... set Outlook reminders for rego time?  Or just call up once a month "is it due yet?"

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  Reply # 1108797 15-Aug-2014 08:41
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IlDuce: My annual spend is $1800, it's a shame I have to pay full amount for all vehicles when I can only use one at a time.


Good point. The wear on the road for you is the same for any other driver, irregardless of how many vehicles you have. Again, too much admin involved, as others may use your vehicles concurrently. Same argument for km used in a year, too hard to manage


Road maintenance isn't funded by registration - it comes from RUC / petrol excise.
"Too hard to manage" (based on km) isn't necessarily true - as that's how RUC for diesel vehicles is calculated anyway, and as a "compromise" some approximate collection of funds based on petrol usage.  (with the biggest anomaly at present probably the systemic under-payment or complete non-payment of RUC by electric / hybrid vehicles).

Given that collection of RUC is so "hit and miss", the "fine tuning" of the ACC levy component of car registration fees is a little surprising.  I suspect that it's more "social engineering" based rather than based on hard data, with averaged stats used to justify a position that they wanted to take for other reasons (new cars are safer, and the new car motor industry does lobby government very hard).

I wonder how many who support increased moves to "user pays" as justification for high motorcycle registration fees would also support collection of some kind of levy on certain sports with high injury rates, "fat tax" on certain foods etc.  There seems to be an overall aversion to what can be conveniently labelled as "social engineering" - when the principle has been long established and accepted anyway - high excise duty on alcohol and tobacco for example.
Increased taxes on a notional "user pays" basis - when government or it's agencies can simultaneously argue that "it's for our own good" - seems inevitable, and especially so when there's downward pressure on earnings-based revenue collection.

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  Reply # 1108802 15-Aug-2014 08:48
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Fred99: 
Given that collection of RUC is so "hit and miss", the "fine tuning" of the ACC levy component of car registration fees is a little surprising.  I suspect that it's more "social engineering" based rather than based on hard data, with averaged stats used to justify a position that they wanted to take for other reasons (new cars are safer, and the new car motor industry does lobby government very hard)


I suspect it's less social engineering and more vote buying, to be honest.

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  Reply # 1109233 15-Aug-2014 19:29
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I would like to see the acc part moved to the drivers license so I'm not paying it for multiple cars.




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richms: I would like to see the acc part moved to the drivers license so I'm not paying it for multiple cars.


So every time you update your licence (10 years) you want to be charged ACC levy? Let's see $200 * 10 years = $2000 odd dollars. I doubt many would swallow that one. ACC still needs the money to cover operating costs and cover the payouts.

Actually it would be much more as there are less drivers than there are cars so the annual fee per person would be much higher.




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Kyanar:
blakamin: 
HAHA, good old QLD... wait for the headaches... South Aussie have had no stickers for 2 and a bit years... soooo many cock-ups when they don't send your renewal.

If anyone in NZ wants to pay my rego, it's $781 a year.


Well, apparently this state has only just moved off "laminated cardboard" for licenses, so yeah.

For $781... I'm just guessing... V8?   You know, I have no idea why V8s cost more to register.  It's not like they tear up the road any more than my V6 or anything.

So you're saying is... set Outlook reminders for rego time?  Or just call up once a month "is it due yet?"


Nope, straight six, and the Mrs' 4 cyl is $740... BUT it is the reason I'll never get my V12 750iL BMW :(

Set outlook reminders. I set up a SA Govt thing where they're meant to text me before it's due... have never had a text yet, except the "welcome" text. :(

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  Reply # 1109286 15-Aug-2014 20:50
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In Oz, states have a transport accident levy, but not like ACC... it doesn't cover you if you fall off a ladder at home or get hurt playing sport.
Workcover covers work related stuff, and the rest, you deal with it thru the public health system or your own insurance!

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  Reply # 1109314 15-Aug-2014 21:20
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But your own insurance gives free optical care and free dental and free massages ...

Which costs easily a thousand bucks per person a year over here

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