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  #1118994 31-Aug-2014 15:46
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Q+A today was really good on this topic. Bill English looked almost sick talking about what had gone on, and talked the most sense that anyone in government has on this topic. My take on his position was that it appears that things have gone on that are unacceptable and they should be investigated and if proven people held to account. It clearly contrasts with John Key's continual refusal to address or acknowledge the issues raised.

The panel was also excellent, Matthew Hooton talked a lot of sense (for once, I usually find him smug and annoying). Josie Pagani was a bit shrill but other than that it was a good show.


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  #1119010 31-Aug-2014 16:03
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Handle9: Q+A today was really good on this topic. Bill English looked almost sick talking about what had gone on, and talked the most sense that anyone in government has on this topic. My take on his position was that it appears that things have gone on that are unacceptable and they should be investigated and if proven people held to account. It clearly contrasts with John Key's continual refusal to address or acknowledge the issues raised.

The panel was also excellent, Matthew Hooton talked a lot of sense (for once, I usually find him smug and annoying). Josie Pagani was a bit shrill but other than that it was a good show.



If you think MH is like that on TV, try him in person, it's considerably worse. 

 
 
 
 


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#1119013 31-Aug-2014 16:11
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Handle9: Q+A today was really good on this topic. Bill English looked almost sick talking about what had gone on, and talked the most sense that anyone in government has on this topic. My take on his position was that it appears that things have gone on that are unacceptable and they should be investigated and if proven people held to account. It clearly contrasts with John Key's continual refusal to address or acknowledge the issues raised.

The panel was also excellent, Matthew Hooton talked a lot of sense (for once, I usually find him smug and annoying). Josie Pagani was a bit shrill but other than that it was a good show.



If you think MH is like that on TV, try him in person, it's considerably worse. 


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  #1119050 31-Aug-2014 18:20
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Handle9: Q+A today was really good on this topic. Bill English looked almost sick talking about what had gone on, and talked the most sense that anyone in government has on this topic. My take on his position was that it appears that things have gone on that are unacceptable and they should be investigated and if proven people held to account.

English is the obvious stand in if Key is forced to resign before the election. Collins is no longer a contender.

Handle9: The panel was also excellent, Matthew Hooton talked a lot of sense (for once, I usually find him smug and annoying). Josie Pagani was a bit shrill but other than that it was a good show.

I could not tell if Hooten was putting his foot in his mouth or somewhere else, or it was not his foot at all.

Really good show, I'll be watching it more often if the team can keep up the momentum. Nothing wrong with Wood's performance any day of the week. Some of those blokes could learn a lot.

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  #1119071 31-Aug-2014 18:37
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They tried English as leader it did not go well.

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  #1119080 31-Aug-2014 18:57
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Love him, or hate him, you can't deny that Hager has completely derailed national's campaign. Collin's head was always on the block, but could he ultimately bring down NZ's most popular PM?

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  #1119126 31-Aug-2014 20:05
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I dont think Hager has this particular mail. I'm sure it would have been in his book if he did.

According to the latest this particular mail was provided to a 'beehive staffer' (whatever that means) by Odgers who was a recipient of the mail and perhaps a participant of the alleged PR campaign to remove the chief of the serious fraud office on behalf of a property developer under investigation. (!!!!)

It's unclear if the whaledump (hacker) account has this email.


 
 
 
 


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gzt: I dont think Hager has this particular mail. I'm sure it would have been in his book if he did.

According to the latest this particular mail was provided to a 'beehive staffer' (whatever that means) by Odgers who was a recipient of the mail and perhaps a participant of the alleged PR campaign to remove the chief of the serious fraud office on behalf of a property developer under investigation. (!!!!)

It's unclear if the whaledump (hacker) account has this email.



This email didn't come from Hager, but it's appearance is a direct consequence from the fallout from his book. If no book, Collins would still be minister, and this email would have remained undiscovered. 

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  #1119144 31-Aug-2014 20:24
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Could whatever Kim Dotcom is going to announce just before the election have something more to do with Collins or is it just going to be about spying stuff I wonder.




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KiwiNZ: NZ gave him a haven his thanks for that is to threaten, defame the very people that gave it to him and attempt to pervert our democratic process, albeit by stupidity. Dotcom brings nothing to our society at all in fact the opposite, he should never have been granted entry.

For whatever reason he was granted it was not for haven:

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=define%3A+haven

Dotcom's view appears to be that it was for the exact opposite.

Presso: Could whatever Kim Dotcom is going to announce just before the election have something more to do with Collins or is it just going to be about spying stuff I wonder.

I would expect it to be something about the circumstances in which he was granted or something like that and Key's knowledge, and the timing of that, which Key has denied. I don't recall reading of Dotcom ever expressing an interest in Collins, it's all been about the immigration and GCSB stuff iirc and when Key knew what in the Helensville electorate. (where Dotcom lives and Key stands as a member)

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gzt:
KiwiNZ: NZ gave him a haven his thanks for that is to threaten, defame the very people that gave it to him and attempt to pervert our democratic process, albeit by stupidity. Dotcom brings nothing to our society at all in fact the opposite, he should never have been granted entry.

For whatever reason he was granted it was not for haven:

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=define%3A+haven

Dotcom's view appears to be that it was for the exact opposite.

Presso: Could whatever Kim Dotcom is going to announce just before the election have something more to do with Collins or is it just going to be about spying stuff I wonder.

I would expect it to be something about the circumstances in which he was granted or something like that and Key's knowledge, and the timing of that, which Key has denied. I don't recall reading of Dotcom ever expressing an interest in Collins, it's all been about the immigration and GCSB stuff iirc and when Key knew what in the Helensville electorate. (where Dotcom lives and Key stands as a member)


Probably something like that.. Glenn Greenwald (the snowden journalist) is supposed to be going to it and also Julian Assange (wikileaks) may be speaking by video link. Will certainly be interesting

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In a way I am surprised that elections are able to be allowed to be rerailed like this.  No one is talking about policies, which is what opposition parties want.

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gzt:
Handle9: Q+A today was really good on this topic. Bill English looked almost sick talking about what had gone on, and talked the most sense that anyone in government has on this topic. My take on his position was that it appears that things have gone on that are unacceptable and they should be investigated and if proven people held to account.

English is the obvious stand in if Key is forced to resign before the election. Collins is no longer a contender.

Handle9: The panel was also excellent, Matthew Hooton talked a lot of sense (for once, I usually find him smug and annoying). Josie Pagani was a bit shrill but other than that it was a good show.

I could not tell if Hooten was putting his foot in his mouth or somewhere else, or it was not his foot at all.

Really good show, I'll be watching it more often if the team can keep up the momentum. Nothing wrong with Wood's performance any day of the week. Some of those blokes could learn a lot.


Bill English would automatically become leader if John Key resigned before the election.

I think there is almost no chance of that however.

I have agree about Susan Woods. She is a total professional on the show. No bias. No big ego.

She should have run the leader debates IMO.

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  #1119251 1-Sep-2014 00:33

mattwnz: In a way I am surprised that elections are able to be allowed to be rerailed like this.  No one is talking about policies, which is what opposition parties want.


So far, the big opinion poll winners seem to be NZ First and the Conservatives.

I doubt any of the other parties are happy about that:)

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mattwnz: In a way I am surprised that elections are able to be allowed to be rerailed like this.  No one is talking about policies, which is what opposition parties want.

You say that as if the sitting government wouldn't take such an opportunity if it were given to them.
I don't mind this all that much, the parties have their policies out there now so instead of slinging mud at each other we the people are going to find out if we really want the current government to stay or not.
If corruption is the price to pay for stability, then thats a price we should query.

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